Lily is afraid of the clicker?

[GMV]

If you are observant enough you can learn to pick it up nearly as well. The biggest reason that birds pick it up so much better is that they use the same or nearly the same signals, by this I mean mostly the subtle positionings of the feathers. It is more difficult for us because we don't have feathers. The rest is just observation. It also helps for you to get out of your own head, you are a predator and you therefore think like a predator and to better understand their signals you need to try to view thing from the standpoint of a prey animal. I knew that we would eventually come back to this, it is really an important concept and at the same time it is really basic as well. When you misunderstood me the last time, I was really trying to give you a very useful tool in understanding your birds and why they do the things that they do.

I am relatively new so i am struggling to learn this, so you say try to see through the birds eyes?
as if seeing a predator primate trying to befriend you? that sort of thing right?

[Wolf]

No, first of all because in its normal conditions a primate would not be trying to befriend the bird, its only purpose to approaching a bird would be for dinner.
You are a type of predator, actually the top predator in the world, not because of speed or strength or even due to superior sight, hearing smell , but solely due to your intellect. But regardless of why, you do not react to external stimulus in the same manner that a prey species does. Things that to you are only mildly interesting or even of little interest is cause for alarm to a prey species. It is due to this difference that new toys which you, dogs, cats and other predators will go investigate and probably play with fairly quickly causes a prey animal such as parrots, horses and most other prey animals to first freeze in their tracks, and if the new thing moves just a little the prey animal bolts in panic. The difference is due to the fact that the new item, to a prey animal, may be or hide a predator, while to the predator the new item may be or contain something to eat. It is a difference in how things are perceived more than what the new item may actually be. Their verbal and non verbal forms of communication also reflect this difference in perception. The nonverbal communication of the prey animal are subtle so that they are not noticed as readily to a watching predator as in most, but not all cases the prey animal has superior eyesight to the predator. Again the importance is in the difference in how a thing is perceived.

[GMV]

No, first of all because in its normal conditions a primate would not be trying to befriend the bird, its only purpose to approaching a bird would be for dinner.
You are a type of predator, actually the top predator in the world, not because of speed or strength or even due to superior sight, hearing smell , but solely due to your intellect. But regardless of why, you do not react to external stimulus in the same manner that a prey species does. Things that to you are only mildly interesting or even of little interest is cause for alarm to a prey species. It is due to this difference that new toys which you, dogs, cats and other predators will go investigate and probably play with fairly quickly causes a prey animal such as parrots, horses and most other prey animals to first freeze in their tracks, and if the new thing moves just a little the prey animal bolts in panic. The difference is due to the fact that the new item, to a prey animal, may be or hide a predator, while to the predator the new item may be or contain something to eat. It is a difference in how things are perceived more than what the new item may actually be. Their verbal and non verbal forms of communication also reflect this difference in perception. The nonverbal communication of the prey animal are subtle so that they are not noticed as readily to a watching predator as in most, but not all cases the prey animal has superior eyesight to the predator. Again the importance is in the difference in how a thing is perceived.

so its sort of like how i would perceive offering moving my hand towards her head to offer her the treat, lily might see it as something aggressive, because she is prey and cavemen use to hunt her type, so her instincts tell her to. is that sort of it?

[Wolf]

Closer. just keep the first part of it and forget about the caveman and the instinct, part of it because while instinct does play a role in it , she is not aware of that part of it.
I have never had to try to explain to someone what the difference is like, only that the difference in their thinking is due to them being a prey animal while we are predators.
Try to imagine that anything new, that you have never seen before could be something good, which to a bird is most likely food, or it could be something that wants to eat you. The kicker is that you have discovered that there are many thing in the world that want to eat you and some of them are smaller than you and some of them are giants that are 100's of times bigger than you are. There are also many things that won't hurt you and they also come in the same sizes. Sometimes the things that won't hurt you do conceal things that will eat you if it can get you. both the things that will eat you and the things that won't hurt you come in all kinds of different shapes, and colors as well as sizes. Because of this anything that you encounter that you have never seen before could be either.
Your only defenses are to bite it and hope that you cause enough pain to get away long enough to fly away from it.
If that doesn't help then I don't know how to describe the difference in perception, well enough for you to picture it. While this can help you to understand why they do certain things, and even help you to avoid a bite because you can anticipate it, it doesn't help you to read the body language. But we all broadcast most of our movements before we do them, then you can watch them and learn what they do that tells you they are going to do what they do.

[GMV]

Closer. just keep the first part of it and forget about the caveman and the instinct, part of it because while instinct does play a role in it , she is not aware of that part of it.
I have never had to try to explain to someone what the difference is like, only that the difference in their thinking is due to them being a prey animal while we are predators.
Try to imagine that anything new, that you have never seen before could be something good, which to a bird is most likely food, or it could be something that wants to eat you. The kicker is that you have discovered that there are many thing in the world that want to eat you and some of them are smaller than you and some of them are giants that are 100's of times bigger than you are. There are also many things that won't hurt you and they also come in the same sizes. Sometimes the things that won't hurt you do conceal things that will eat you if it can get you. both the things that will eat you and the things that won't hurt you come in all kinds of different shapes, and colors as well as sizes. Because of this anything that you encounter that you have never seen before could be either.
Your only defenses are to bite it and hope that you cause enough pain to get away long enough to fly away from it.


If that doesn't help then I don't know how to describe the difference in perception, well enough for you to picture it. While this can help you to understand why they do certain things, and even help you to avoid a bite because you can anticipate it, it doesn't help you to read the body language. But we all broadcast most of our movements before we do them, then you can watch them and learn what they do that tells you they are going to do what they do.

i think i understand.