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Finding a mate...

Postby DanaandPod » Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:10 pm

Not for me! For my parrot! :roll: :D
Actually, I feel greatly worried and saddened by responses regarding another of my post about my parrot being home alone all day although I do a two hour routine in the a.m. with him and am home half days on the weekends. Seems parrots should have never been made into pets...its unfair to them. I cannot allow the love of my life...my parrot, whom I promised a forever home...to sit home all day in anxiety wondering when I will come home... I guess the only thing as solution is a mate. Therefore:
Do I have to get a bigger cage? Where and how do I go about finding a mate for my jardine's parrot????
Thank you for your advice!
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Re: Finding a mate...

Postby Wolf » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:47 pm

You will need a separate cage at least to begin with. The reason for this is first of all a minimum of a 30 day quarantine period, you don't want the new parrot giving your Pod some disease. Of course the new bird will also need a vet check.
The next part is the most difficult part , the introductions. They may hit it off right away or, more likely it will take them some time to get acquainted and hopefully decide to bond, because they may not bond or even be good friends. That is the problem with trying to find a mate for your bird. If they bond, then you can get a larger cage or possibly be able to put the two cages together. That depends upon how the cages are constructed.
The thing is that even if they are not fast friends they are still better off having another bird of the same or similar species to be with when you are unavailable.
Now about finding another bird. The first choice of course is another Jardines Parrot but, this species is a Poicephalus and there are other species of the same genus that would be good options for a companion for your bird although probably not a mate. The closest to the Jardines in this genus although of a different species is probably the Cape Parrot. I have a Senegal Parrot, but there are several other species of this genus including the Meyers Parrot, the Red bellied Parrot,and the Brown headed Parrot. There are nine species, not counting sub species, of parrots in the genus Poicephalus. Only about six are commonly found as companion birds and these are the ones that I have mentioned.
I don't know where it is that you live, but you could check with avian rescues for a compatible parrot for your Pod. There is also craigslists and other online sources.
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Re: Finding a mate...

Postby DanaandPod » Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:22 pm

Hi Wolf. You are very informative. Thank you. I live in Ct which is close to one place that I know The Parrot Wizard got Santina from. But, that seems like a big risk... If I were to do this...I would want to bring my parrot somewhere and introduce him... but if parrots have to be quaranteened then...how do people go about play dates etc... this is something else I have wanted to do. Also, I live in an apartment... and this all doesn't seem ideal right now. Boy, would I love to have a Cape...this would be my first choice of the choices you wrote! I love the comical look of them...though I don't know how well I would like the smell. But, anyway... This has all been on my mind...and I am not sure how much I should actually be worrying? I mean, he never seems stressed. He is in good health. He eats well and I have done my best despite him being picky. I teach him tricks. Literally, I feel my life revolves around him. I do have a few very long days...But, I do a two hour routine in the am where I am with him or near him the whole time... On the days I am home...well...we are together... Just tonight he learned how to put dice in a jar for me... When I am not home...I have music playing for him...sometimes a laptop also set up with ocean waves or a fireplace burning or something... to add a visual stimulation. And, he has interactive toys like baby laptops that he loves. I mean.....really, how bad can this be for him? I do feel greatly bad for him because he doesnt have a mate at least and he belongs in the wild and not a cage. But, hell, I am alive and fairly well and nobody is here to cater to me or scratch my head all the time.... He gets a fair dose of love. And, I know this is a giant and ongoing question for parrot owners regarding time alone... But, if parrots are truly never alone in the wild and have great anxiety over the unknown...and sit by in anxiety while i am not home... then why the heck has the human race made parrots as pets!? I haven't fully decided what to do yet...but the thing I am sure of is I will never ever give him away. Ever. :(
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Re: Finding a mate...

Postby liz » Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:53 pm

I am surprised that people take their birds in public. I would never do that. Even when we go to the Vet I sit in a far corner away from others.

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Re: Finding a mate...

Postby Pajarita » Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:24 am

Ay, my dear, you ask the same questions lots of us ask all the time. In my personal opinion, people would make pets out of anything exotic regardless of what that means to the animal itself. People keep tigers, lions, alligators, etc in apartments, basements, backyards... People don't really care much for the animal's feelings or comfort, they like the 'status' it brings. Take coatimundi, they run wild in my country of birth but nobody (and I do mean NOBODY) would ever dream of keeping one as a pet because of their aggression when they are adults - but people here in America buy them, have them declawed and defanged and keep them in cages. The poor animals suffer all their lives but do people care? Nope.

As to parrots, breeding them to be used as human pets is a very recent fad but, here in America, we managed to start a fad and end up with a huge overpopulation problem in a matter of 15 years - imagine that! Only 15 years and we already have such a huge number of unwanted birds that hundreds of rescues were created and are already all at full capacity! I had a bird rescue for 6 years and, without even advertising or telling anybody about it, I ended up with over 240 birds in less than two years.

And now, with the new training them for tricks, more and more people are buying babies... A terribly sad situation and it's not getting better, only worse.

As to our lone birds been stress-free and happy... I don't mean to rain on your parade but they are not. For one thing, any deviation from what nature evolved them to have causes stress (this is not anybody's opinion, it's a scientific fact which has been proven over and over and hugely studied because of animals in zoos and the stereotypies they present). For another, any social, intelligent being kept in jail all alone for the greatest majority of the day is going to be bored, depressed and anxious -unfortunately, there is really no two ways about it. And there are the studies, necropsies and all the behavioral aberrations so common to pet parrots that tell us this is so.

My birds live cage-free in a room fit to their needs (light, humidity, air quality, branches for perches, etc), they follow a strict solar schedule to ensure their endocrine system is healthy and functioning as it should, they are surrounded by other parrots and I do my very best to provide and encourage them to establish a special relationship with another bird, they get an organic fresh food diet with a large variety of produce, they get medical attention and my company and love everyday... my entire life revolves around their needs and nothing and nobody comes before their comfort (not even my family, a job, vacations, etc) - and still I know for a fact they are not as happy as they could be if they were living the life nature meant for them to have.

But don't take my word for it, do some research of your own - only do it right, meaning don't ask another bird owner: "Is your lone bird happy?" because they will all answer a most emphatic: "YES!" when, in reality, they are assuming it is. Go to science and see what they say about undomesticated animals living an unnatural life.
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Re: Finding a mate...

Postby DanaandPod » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:49 pm

This is terrible...
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Re: Finding a mate...

Postby Wolf » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:29 pm

It ain't the best of all worlds for sure, and these are things that every parrot keeper needs and should be aware of as it would help them to make the best choices for their little charges as they can, and that is why it has been brought up for you. Now just remember these things and do the best that you can for your little Pod. Part of the facts concerning the keeping of these birds is that you are not the one who began all of this parrots as pets thing, you can, however do your part to help the birds that already are in this situation by doing your best to get birds from bird rescues and from private sources of birds that are being rehomed instead of purchasing birds from breeders. Breeders sell their birds and then make more of them to face a life of being mistreated and being rehomed, and by taking in the birds being rehomed privately and through rescues you help to break the cycle of breeding so many surplus birds.
It is obvious that you love your bird and really want the best for him that you can provide, so relax and enjoy your Pod and give him the best life that you can. That is what we try to do as well. It ain't the best but we all do what we can to improve their lives and to be honest it is all that you can do too.
We as humans have done this as well to every species of animal that we have either actually domesticated or otherwise taken from the wild. Just look at all the commercials to save dogs and cats from humans abusive ways.
It would be better for your bird to have a companion bird to talk to while you are not available, but you can help a little by supplying him with a radio turned to a station with music on it even a tape deck set to rerun the same tape over and over will help him to feel less alone. TVs may sound better as they provide visual stimulation as well as audio but don't do that the best way to provide visual stimulation while you are gone is to place his cage near to a window so that he can look outside. You do not want it directly in front of the window as he needs to be able to get out of the sun if he needs to hide or gets too warm. This is not as good as a companion but it will help to lower his stress levels while you are away. Also if the room that Pod is in is made bird safe then you could leave his cage open and let him fly about the whole room instead of being in a cage. But only do this if it is safe to do this and no one would be coming in that could let him out.
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Re: Finding a mate...

Postby DanaandPod » Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:08 am

liz wrote:I am surprised that people take their birds in public. I would never do that. Even when we go to the Vet I sit in a far corner away from others.

Please put your location in the information box. It is hard for me to remember where the others members live.

I'm in Ct. Why are you afraid to take them out in public? My Jardine's is a nipper so harness training has continued past this summer...and still working on it. However, I brought him to the park quite a few times in his travel cage. What a ham! He absolutely loved when people came up to him... he called out to people and did the wolf call for everyone and bobbed his head... a complete and total ham... very very outgoing.
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Re: Finding a mate...

Postby DanaandPod » Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:27 am

I am looking for another bird for him. Nobody has complained of me having him here despite his noise level. Mainly, He only really screams loud when i am leaving and then noticeably stops once the door is closed and locked. I do already put music on for him that plays. He has interactive electronic toys too. I don't do this solar light thing that i read everyone talking about. However, I keep the music on light and it is artists like norah jones or some other easy listening and i have battery operated xmas lights and a fish tank that is on a timer. Sometimes i set my laptop up for him with ocean waves or a ten hour clip of a burning fireplace or something...on youtube. for added visual. Another bird would be best tho not ideal but better than he has had it. Actually, this past year has been the best hes had...and i am quite proud of that despite my limitations and space... however, I will try to make it better.

Question: if it is not a Jardine's does it still have to be opposite sex? And, if it is another breed like a meyers can it still be possible to keep them in the same cage if they become buddies? Thanks :airmail:
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Re: Finding a mate...

Postby Wolf » Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:46 pm

I honestly can't say, however I have never heard of it working out with different species being in the same cage, regardless of the sex. I also have not heard of it working with same sex and same species except for with Budgies. I don't have enough experience with parrots to say more than this as I haven't had birds that long and then just with my present birds. I do a lot of research so that I can learn more about these wonderful birds and then I share what I learn here. I still have a lot to learn.
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