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I'm back!

Postby Pajarita » Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:55 am

First of all, I apologize for staying away for so long but, as the poet said: the best laid plans of mice and men often go awry. will try to catch up but, if there is a thread in particular that you want me to check out, please pm me and I will. And special thanks to the members that contacted me via email and pm worried about my absence. I really appreciate your concern and kindness! Like Liz often says, this website is like a neighborhood and the members are the friends and neighbors.

The whole thing started as a short time-out due to a new member complaining about my usual terse style and it was deemed by the powers that be that it would be best if I stayed away for a short while. No biggie and no hard feelings. It happens. People are more used to the kindergarten style of most birdsites and are, sometimes, shocked by my high school manner - and before anybody takes offense to this, is not a comment on anybody's maturity or level of knowledge but of approach. In kindergarten, everybody gets a gold star even if they color outside the lines, the same way that everybody gets a 'you are a good parront'' in birdsites regardless of their husbandry while, in high school, you get a: 'A) is wrong, the right answer is B) and you need to study more' which is what I tend to do :roll: . Not very tactful, I agree. Wolf is much better than me at 'niceness'. I do try but, sometimes, I forget to make the effort. To me, any argument is a debate, nothing personal about it, just opposite positions but I do realize that this is not the way some people regard been contradicted and, often, they feel offended and personally attacked when somebody tells them or implies they are wrong. Different folks, different strokes. I tend to treat people the way I want people to treat me and, when it comes to my animals care, I would much rather somebody told me straight off that I am doing something wrong than not say anything just not to hurt my feelings. And this goes for people that might not even be right, mind you! Because things change so much and so fast when it comes to parrot husbandry that I would rather explore every single lead, even the dead-end ones, than risk continue doing something I thought was right and it's now found to be wrong. So, feel free to argue with me and don't worry about the style or language because I won't take offense.

Anyway, the time-out started out great! I found out that my husband had nothing scheduled for an entire week, something I don't even remember when it happened last because he works in media which means no holidays, birthdays, weekends, etc and, because he works for ESPN in Connecticut and we live in NJ, he usually stays overnight so it's rare the week that we have two entire days together, much less an entire week! Actually, it ended up not been the entire week because they called him to work on Sunday and, as he is one of the lucky ones that due to his versatility has a clause that states that if he works more than the number of shows stated on his annual contract, he gets paid all the extra ones in a lump sum at the end of the year -and with the mortgages for the house here and the one back home and the 'super-size me' human and animal family we have, extra money is always welcome!- so he went. But we still had days and days to do projects around the house and, because one of our sons confirmed the following day that he had bought the tickets for a visit in March for his entire family, there were plenty of those! You all know how we, housewives, like to redecorate and do improvements :lol: and I am no exception!

Some projects were done, some were started but not finished and some were put in the back burner because my old dog, Mikey, took a turn for the worse. It started with him not sitting up to eat his dinner one night. He used to skip a meal or two in the past and, although he had not done it in a while, I did not think too much about it. But, the following day, he would not sit up again, not even to drink water, and I did not like the way he was breathing or acting (I think he might have had a mild stroke). I fed him in his mouth stuff I knew he could not resist (ham, meatballs, hamburgers, roasted chicken, etc) and he ate some but not enough of it; and I was giving him water and his medicines with a syringe in his mouth. And he was barking too often... Ever since he became incontinent and bed-ridden, he would bark whenever he 'messed' himself up so I would come, clean him up and change his bedding but now he was barking for company. He simply did not want to be alone so the last two nights I had to get up 4 and 5 times during the night to move him to another position, talk to him and pet him until he fell asleep again... and he was, obviously, not getting better so, on the third day, I made an appointment to put him down the following day. I called my husband who was back to work by then and he drove in the middle of the night so he could be here in the am to help me with him -Mikey weighted a bit over 90 lbs at the time of his death from the 115 lb he was in his prime so there was no way I could've managed him on my own. Early in the am, I gave him his usual sponge bath as well as a double dosage of pain killer and an oral tranquilizer to make things easier on him and, when it was time, we carried him out the back door (my husband drove the SUV into the backyard) in a large sling made out of two quilts. The people at the clinic had been advised to wait for us with a stretcher so they unloaded him out of the back (I rode with him there), placed him on exam table along with his quilts so he was quite comfortable. He got an intramuscular strong tranquilizer first, then a large dose of propofol through a catheter in his leg and, once he was completely asleep, the drug that would stop his heart.

His death was not, in any way, unexpected because life expectancy for a dog his size is 8 to 10 years and he was almost 18 but just because I had time to get used to it emotionally, it doesn't mean that it was not hard on me to put him down or that I did not grieve for him. 17 + years is a long time - sheesh, most marriages don't last that long!- and he was not only my alpha male and a GREAT dog, he was also one of the very few dogs we have adopted as a pup (he was 6 months old) plus, his care in the last two years took so much time and effort that to find myself not having to do it kind of threw me off... But my mind and body have a way of dealing with grief on their own way and the way it works is that I am a regular biatch while it's happening (I am never depressed or in a bad mood and, even when I am angry, I am never mean - except at these times when I get mean, mean, mean -thankfully, my husband knows how it goes and doesn't take it personally), then, the first 24 hours are pretty much passed in a daze. My brain seems to stop working and things I do all the time take twice as much time, I can't remember things, I don't understand the plot of the movie, I have to read the same paragraph three times before it registers - that kind of thing. Then my body starts to ache - and I do mean my entire body! It takes me about three days to be back in a functioning mode and then I have to catch up with all the stuff I left undone... And that's why I took so long to come back.

But now I am here and I have a couple of subjects I have been thinking about to share with you, guys, so everything is back to normal.

Again, thank you for your concern! It helps a lot to know there is people who care...
Pajarita
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Re: I'm back!

Postby Navre » Sun Nov 22, 2015 3:07 pm

Sorry about Mikey. I'm glad you're back and doing better.
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Re: I'm back!

Postby liz » Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:19 pm

It is so good to have you back.

I lost 3 of my furry babies this year. My old Fancy cat made it to 18 and was still finding some joy in life. I intended to keep her until she was not happy any more. When she grew a tumor in her mouth she was s till able to eat but as it grew she would suffer. At the vets on the table she was alert but I realized how frail she had gotten. Like they say in the zombie movies " I gave her mercy". I know I did right but I really miss her.

My dog Bruce also made it to 18. He was deaf and blind but still played with the girls. I feel we put it off too long with him. His last 3 days all he did was bark.

Hali the boxer was about 9 and had a gray muzzle. She had surgery to remove a malignant tumor.
Within a month it was back. I had to let her go.

Well that was depressing but after I made that big an effort to type I will post it anyway.
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Re: I'm back!

Postby Toggsy » Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:11 pm

Pajarita wrote:The whole thing started as a short time-out due to a new member complaining about my usual terse style

I had let the whole matter die and had moved on but after reading that comment which was totally uncalled for as there was not need for it even to be mentioned again.
I'm am very disappointed and saddened but I will no longer be participating in any future threads or current discussions.
Theres a difference between rude and terse !!
To say I feel alienated and singled out would be an understatement
So on that note would the moderator kindly deactivate my account and remove my details from the forum
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Re: I'm back!

Postby shiraartain » Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:01 pm

I'm sorry for your loss...it always hurts to lose a loved one and I hate to even think about the fact that Fajr won't be around forever. I'm happy you were able to have so many years and lovely memories with your dog, and also enjoy time with your husband this past week.

I have a friend whose two cats and mother's sun conure passed away within this year. The sun conure didn't have the best diet (lots of sunflower seeds and human foods), but the cats were very-well cared for but one had cancer and the other had kidney failure. I was unsure how to console her, and i'm struggling for words now as well.

I swear, between giving away my parakeet & cockatiel, and bringing Fajr home, there was a gaping hole in our lives. Loss is hard and keeps coming, but at least the love and memories which animals give us stay forever.
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Re: I'm back!

Postby ParrotsForLife » Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:23 pm

I didn't notice you were gone well thats because I don't spend much time here to notice im most active on Little Feathered Buddies and my own group.Sorry to hear about your dog I know how it feels to lose a dog happened to me twice.Now I just have Parrots and I dont ever want them to go old but thats life they will get old.
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Re: I'm back!

Postby Pajarita » Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:52 am

Thank you so much for your sympathies! Mikey will be missed... thankfully, I still have so many others that my life is still very full.

I forgot to tell you two other things that happened during my absence. BabyBoyd (Lesser Jardine) went back to her original owner. We had always kept in touch and the circumstances why she had to be rehomed in the first place as well as the 'problems' I saw with her care had all disappeared. The lady, a professor at NYU, is now retired, she stopped smoking, her daughter (whom BabyBoyd hated and constantly attacked) moved out, and she promised to continue feeding her the way that I've been feeding her. I had never found a companion for her and, although she kind of hanged out with Pookey Timneh, they were not really bonded so now she will have a human of her own. She loved the lady and the lady loved her so although I will miss her, this is the best situation for her.

I also brought in 3 more feral kittens because there is an epidemic of panleuko killing the babies as soon as they stop lactating and I was worried about them. They are doing great! I put them in my bedroom (the only place where no cats ever go so I know for a fact there is no latent virus that might infect them) and they drive us crazy with their midnight runs :lol:

I am sorry you felt that the comment was uncalled for, Toggsy, but I've been here every day for years and people had contacted me about it so I felt it was only right to let them know the reason why. I didn't even know you were the one that had complained, to tell you the truth!
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Gender: This parrot forum member is female
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Location: NW Pa
Number of Birds Owned: 30
Types of Birds Owned: RoseBreasted too, CAG, DoubleYellowHead Amazon, BlueFront Amazon, YellowNape Amazon, Senegal, African Redbelly, Quaker, Sun Conure, Nanday, BlackCap Caique, WhiteBelly Caique, PeachFace lovebird, budgies,
Flight: Yes

Re: I'm back!

Postby Navre » Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:22 pm

I saw the thing about the 4 letter network. Patriots fans no longer mention it by name. I can overlook it since you are, otherwise, so great!
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Re: I'm back!

Postby liz » Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:47 am

Toggsy wrote:
Pajarita wrote:The whole thing started as a short time-out due to a new member complaining about my usual terse style

I had let the whole matter die and had moved on but after reading that comment which was totally uncalled for as there was not need for it even to be mentioned again.
I'm am very disappointed and saddened but I will no longer be participating in any future threads or current discussions.
Theres a difference between rude and terse !!
To say I feel alienated and singled out would be an understatement
So on that note would the moderator kindly deactivate my account and remove my details from the forum


Your skin must be tissue thin.
I am on the forum to learn, to give feedback for what little I know and to read stories about my neighbors beautiful kids.
Example: if you have a neighbor with a bunch of healthy and happy kids would you take offence if she told you that you are tying his shoe strings wrong or that you should not feed him junk food?
Maybe so but that is no reason to stop speaking to her. Instead take into consideration what she said and get the damn chip of your shoulder.
I think I am the oldest in the forum and have had birds for about 40 years. Just because I had them does not mean I was doing right by them. I have learned so much here. I have been told "stop", "don't do that", "you are getting it all wrong" and the big one "there is something going wrong in your flock and you need to fix it".
There have been a few times that my feelings were hurt and felt like I was knocked down. I am here for the benefit of my birdie babies. I will absorb any knowledge given to me no matter how it is given.
To me this feels like a neighborhood of quirky humans. I use the info from the neighbor that flings it at me as well as the soft spoken loveable guy at the end of the block.
I hate that I felt I had to get in this. It takes away from the purpose of the birds.
WHEN SOMEONE GETS THEIR FEELINGS HURT IN THIS FORUM THEY SHOULD PM THE ONE WHO CAUSED IT AND KEEP THE TOUCHY FEELY SHIT OUT OF THE GENERAL FORUM.
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Andy Impy Louise Twila Leroy
Flight: Yes

Re: I'm back!

Postby ParrotsForLife » Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:06 am

Well said Liz :)
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