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[shiraartain]

I have no problem with ending discussion on religion and politics here. I'm here for the bird advice anyways .

[liz]

The thread was started because of terrorism. Not religion.

I am 2nd generation American. Those who come to this country to become citizens are welcome.
This should be for any nationality. What I am saying is with the refugees coming in fast and in large numbers you have to be more on guard.

I have Pakistani and Egyption friends in NC. But I have known them a long time.

I did not start the thread to be hurtful. And I am truly sorry if I offended you. It was not my intention. But keep in mind that you are American too

This is in the general and off topic section.

[Wolf]

If I may make a few comments.

The Native Peoples of this land do not view themselves as Americans in the same sense as others do as for example the Cherokee are a nation consisting of 7 tribes They view themselves as Cherokee, They are one of the native peoples and while they are Cherokee they can not be excluded from being Americans because they are the native people. There are a few other differences but I am not striving for total accuracy with this and what I just said is only to make my next point.

America and by default most Americans are a nation of immigrants and it was as such that this nation ( America ) was conceived and founded.

Profiling is a horrible practice that has discrimination and prejudice as its most basic principles and we all know in out hearts that these two basics are a part of a much larger set of beliefs which are founded in the principles of fear and hatred and they have now valid place in my world and should have no place in the world at large, but that is my belief.

My people were an armed society ( I am of the Ramingo tribe of the Cherokee Nation ) and I believe in an armed society and while I will not act in my own defense when the laws of my nation protects me, I do not count on those laws in an emergency situation for protection, I do count on those same laws to defend me in those rare cased in which I must defend myself and my family.

Gun control is a ticky topic at best so is diet, feather clipping and free flight in parrots, but while I understand the reasons for the origination of this topic it really does not fit in with the overall purpose of this forum which is parrots.

Terrorism is a very horrible practice and it is something that most of us abhor, but it does touch our lives in some very negative and personal ways and its use shames us all as a people individually and as a whole. Again one of my beliefs.

Those who feel the need to post in this topic should do so knowing that it does not really belong here and should use extreme caution in how they word their comments due to the extremely sensitive nature of the topic. I would prefer that this would be the last comment on this topic.

[liz]

I am sorry for opening this bucket of worms. And yes we are all immigrants. My grandparents came from Italy. Grandpop got his citizenship in WWI. Gandmom came in through Ellis Island and if you remember your history many received a chalk X and sent back to their country if they could not add to the country. Some families were seperated. Grandmom went to school and was naturalized. My father's family had has been here much longer and is a blend of European and Mohawk.
If Native Americans had done more profiling this would still be an Indian Nation.
I fear for the Muslim women who have come to this country and want to be Americans. Some have been attacked by strangers because they no longer wear the burka. One girl was pulled out of school by her hair when her uncle decided she was not dressed properly. There have been reports of "Anglo" women being beaten. These things were all done in daylight by the attackers having no fear of punishment.
If you have not caught on, Americans and the American way of life is under siege with mass murder. American women, no matter what they look like or where they are from, are being randomly attacked.
I am not thin skinned and you can chastise me if you want. LIke I said, I am truly sorry if I have offended you. It was not my intention but Shira, if you do not wear a burka you are at more risk than me.
Please rent the movie "Red Dawn".
You may continue if you wish but I am done with this thread and have accepted the responses.

[shiraartain]

I was not hurt, was just trying to get my whole point across. And Liz, it comes off as interesting to me that you feel I am in danger when I know I'm not. I do not wear a burka, but my parents would not care either way. When I chose to wear a hijab actually, it was my dad who was unhappy about it for two years before he accepted that it is my body and my choice. His side of the family, both in Pakistan and here, still make remarks about it and urge me to take it off. Girls do change their minds about wearing the headscarf, and nobody (generally) treats them any differently for it. It is between each person and God how they choose to dress. Period.

Of course there are people who behave differently and negatively, but there are all kinds of people in this world. A few people who enforce their *cultural* standards are not representative of an entire religion nor even that entire culture.

Thank you for the information on the Native Peoples, Wolf! I apologize for my earlier inaccurate statements.

And with that, I too am done with this thread . (It was nice learning more about everyone though!)

[Wolf]

Nothing that I said in my post was meant to get on anyone in any manner. To me this is all just more information, but for some people the different points of view could be offensive which is why I put forth that one should use extreme caution in posting in this particular topic. I personally feel that you and I should be able to say anything without it being offensive when it is not intended to be, I also think that this is a parrot forum and although this is the off topic area, I wonder how far off topic will be deemed acceptable by the members. Again I am fine with this topic, others may not be.