Some exciting/scary news!

[Pajarita]

I have to agree with Marie. Brother and sister is the worst kind of inbreeding. I mean even breeders that want to achieve mutations don't breed a brother with a sister. But, even if they do hatch and even if they survive without defects, what would you do with so many? You can't really give them away because there is a chance that they will have a genetic defect and that would not be fair to the new owner, you will have to separate the parents and couldn't keep the babies with them or with each other so that means an enclosure for each one. That's a whole lot of space and work, have you considered that?

[Chantilly]

Update: The eggs have gone all shrivelled, we added water, but still, they are shrivelled.

I have to agree with Marie. Brother and sister is the worst kind of inbreeding. I mean even breeders that want to achieve mutations don't breed a brother with a sister. But, even if they do hatch and even if they survive without defects, what would you do with so many? You can't really give them away because there is a chance that they will have a genetic defect and that would not be fair to the new owner, you will have to separate the parents and couldn't keep the babies with them or with each other so that means an enclosure for each one. That's a whole lot of space and work, have you considered that?

No I hadnt thought of that. Well, yes the finding good homes thing i had, but do you really think that their will be a problem with the genetics? A bad problem? And then the owner shouldnt have a problem with bad genetics so long as they are not a breeder (which i wouldnt sell to anyway!). I do understand, and appreciate your concern, I think the eggs are going the way you wish anyway. Even though the vamiculite is moist, they are shrivelling up and dont look like they will be succesful.
Dont know why, they were laid lovely and in perfect shape, now they look old and empty.

[Chantilly]

When you said incubator I hoped you knew what your are doing. But the red marks shows you do.
My son made his own incubator. He breeds and morphs Ball Pythons and has done really well. As a child I told his teachers that he was a sponge. He soaked up as much info and knowledge that they gave. (did not do well in school. He was so busy absorbing that he did not give back except for tests) He, with the internet, have learned in detail the genetics to the point that every once in a while I loose him in this other language.
He has bred a son back to a mother to bring out the charictaristics that he wants. He is known world wide as Koldthumb@yahoo.com

I just watched his youtube video so cute!
Wouldnt it be amazing to see this in real life? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GuV1z0-wS7U

[marie83]

Well even your photo shows that they don't look right- like they never hardened fully. Could be they were infertile any way.

BTW, please don't think "it is going the way we want" that is not the case in all honesty., it's out of concern for the potential babies. People have incest laws for the very reason it causes massive issues with deformities and health. Of course there are moral issues too in the way people see family but the main reason is genetics.

[JessiMuse]

Reptile eggs are not the same as bird eggs. They don't have the hard shell that bird eggs have. Instead, the outer shell is rather soft.

They do look a little flat though, so I'm not sure if they will hatch or not.

[Wolf]

I have no knowledge in this matter of bearded dragons, but I am reading all that is said with interest. Thanks for sharing this with us. I can't offer any advice, although I do know enough about breeding horses to grasp what is being discussed. Any concerns, so far that I would have genetically speaking are already being addressed in the current discussion.

[marie83]

They are laid softer but they do harden up a bit in the first couple of hours after being laid. They are never hard like a bird egg you are right but they shouldn't look like a deflating balloon either at least none of ours ever have.

[liz]

A reptile egg hardens more like leather when they dry. They are a little sticky when first laid and whichever way they land they stick together so they will not change position. Moving them to an incubator is a little tricky. As the little critter grows in there they fill the deflated space.
When my son's snakes are near hatch time he puts a slit in the top of each egg. They can get out easier. Some will pop their heads out then go back in. Some times it takes 2 days for them to give up their eggs shells.

[Pajarita]

No I hadnt thought of that. Well, yes the finding good homes thing i had, but do you really think that their will be a problem with the genetics? A bad problem? And then the owner shouldnt have a problem with bad genetics so long as they are not a breeder (which i wouldnt sell to anyway!). I do understand, and appreciate your concern, I think the eggs are going the way you wish anyway. Even though the vamiculite is moist, they are shrivelling up and dont look like they will be succesful.
Dont know why, they were laid lovely and in perfect shape, now they look old and empty.

Genetic problems don't necessarily have to show in the way the animal looks. Sometimes it is a deformation but sometimes is that they die young, have a weaker immune system or the deformation is of internal organs. Lutino cockatiels are known for their immune system problems, a baldness pattern, plumage issues and early death and it's because breeders inbred birds in order to get lutino lines (these problems have gotten better -not as much as they should have because only good breeders are been careful but there has been improvement).

[Chantilly]

They are laid softer but they do harden up a bit in the first couple of hours after being laid. They are never hard like a bird egg you are right but they shouldn't look like a deflating balloon either at least none of ours ever have.

Ours have sort of crumpled up and gone hard now, you can see the yolk through one of them.
Mabye they wernt fertile in the first place, if they were Mira should be gravid again within the fortnight(I really hope she isnt though, she is still recovering from her laying, and very tired. Not too intrested in food.

A reptile egg hardens more like leather when they dry. They are a little sticky when first laid and whichever way they land they stick together so they will not change position. Moving them to an incubator is a little tricky. As the little critter grows in there they fill the deflated space.
When my son's snakes are near hatch time he puts a slit in the top of each egg. They can get out easier. Some will pop their heads out then go back in. Some times it takes 2 days for them to give up their eggs shells.

They have shriveled up and gone.. crispy.
I still cant stop being amazed watching reptiles hatching, its just too cute!