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California park laws against Parrots (makes no sense)

Postby cristina.white » Sat Apr 16, 2011 7:36 pm

So I was at my local park (northern california) and I've never had any issues with my bird in the park. My amazon is a happy bird, just got his vaccinations and he is healthy. I've never had issues with park rangers but I put my bird on my bike and took a little ride (3 miles) and circled around a playground (swarming with kids) and was on my way back. I usually don't stop because then kids would come and try to pet my parrot. It's a good way to avoid wasting time because they wouldn't come running after me on a bike. :lol:

As I was saying, I bumped into a ranger on my way back and he told me that it is illegal to have a parrot in the park? I told him why and he said that parrots can spread desease to other wildlife in the park... seriously? What kind of wildlife does my local park have? Squirrels and geese. That's pretty much it. I told him that my amazon has his wings clipped and he is healthy. He told me that hawks would devour my bird which I think is preposterous. There is no way a hawk would come anywhere close to my bird if I'm holding it. He rudely told me that I "need to get out of the park NOW".

What kind of bull**** law is this? Dogs and cats are allowed in the park and not birds? Hell, rabbits and squirrels and dogs can carry various kinds of desease.
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Re: California park laws against Parrots (makes no sense)

Postby zazanomore » Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:11 pm

I wouldn't say these rules don't make sense.

I'm no scientist, but parrots are exotic animals. They could potentially bring in diseases that could harm the eco-system.

As for a hawk, yes, they could take your amazon, even with you there. There have been plenty of cases of large parrots being easily taken down with the owners being right there.

You said that your Amazon's wings are clipped. Do you use a harness? Clipped birds still have the ability of flight, and even a breeze could let your bird have lift.

That being said, I understand why you are upset. It's really great that you take the time to take your Amazon out and about. I wish I could get my tiel to get into his harness..
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Re: California park laws against Parrots (makes no sense)

Postby kaylayuh » Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:25 pm

California has a ton of laws about which animals can be kept as pets and which animals are allowed where, when, and for what reasons. I don't necessarily think the laws are stupid since the majority of them were implemented to keep individuals from taking their exotic pets and releasing them into the wild. California has a great many climates that are suitable to a great many species and the chance of one being released or escaping pose a great threat to the current ecosystem.

For example, my boyfriend lives on the outskirts of Yosemite National Park. In this area, human activity and pet regulations are much stricter than they would be in Sacramento or San Diego. Having a parrot escape there could pose a threat to native populations of birds. And while your parrot may seem healthy or have recently received a clean bill of health from a vet, it could be carrying something that could infect the native species.

That said, I have heard of pet friendly parks in California. Since you said you were approached by a park ranger, I'm assuming that this wasn't just some run of the mill playground that you were riding in. I'm sure a quick google would be able to help you locate some bird-friendly places.
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Re: California park laws against Parrots (makes no sense)

Postby patdbunny » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:12 pm

Hi Christina! And welcome!

Well, I'm curious. If you ever see that ranger again, ask him for the exact code section that forbids parrots in parks. Local law or what? I'd really like to read the actual code section.

So, other than the buzz kill park ranger, how are ya?
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Re: California park laws against Parrots (makes no sense)

Postby TheNzJessie » Sun Apr 17, 2011 3:00 am

a hawk could very easily take your amazon and you really do need to be aware of this. watch this video.
in the long version (which i cant find) the zoo keeper says skooter was unharmed in the attack and also skooter is a very mistrusting bird and that he understood she saved his life which has bought them closer together and he has full trust in her now. because he understood what the danger was and who saved him. birds are amazing
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Re: California park laws against Parrots (makes no sense)

Postby entrancedbymyGCC » Tue Apr 19, 2011 5:10 pm

I think there is more danger to the parrot from pigeons than to the native wildlife from parrots, but I would be interested in the legality. It may have gotten mixed up with the Quaker parrot prohibition, those are not allowed in CA at all. State and National parks do have different rules. In national parks, even leashed dogs are not allowed in backwoods areas, and in CA parks I think they must be leashed. In either case further restrictions can be imposed by the park management.

At a minimum, you'd need to treat the parrot like a dog and have it restrained. Clipped birds can escape. Some parrots establish feral flocks, especially in Southern CA, and that really could pose a problem for native species. So... I think it does make some sense.
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Re: California park laws against Parrots (makes no sense)

Postby Chris&Akilah » Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:07 pm

Parrots can and do escape and become feral pests. It has happened in Florida with a few species, that I know for sure. I think the same laws should apply to parrots as any other exotic animal, or even dog for that matter, in public...it should be restrained either by leash or in a cage/carrier unless in a area where it is desiginated OK to let them loose. California is very paranoid about exotic invasives, and I can't say I blame them. The other problem with feral parrots, is that once they're established they develop a fan-club and it becomes extremely difficult to deal with them without protests, no matter how many problems they cause. I don't really like the double-standard when it comes to dealing with exotic invaders...cute ones are given the OK, not-so-cute...KILL'EM!! :roll:

I've read enough tales of clipped parrots flying/blowing away outdoors never to be seen again to know that it doesn't really make a difference. I am new to parrots but it still gobsmacked me to see that people take their parrots outside without restraint, even if they are clipped. That's just asking for it....hawks are one thing. So are dogs, cats, sadistic people, etc...
I wouldn't push the issue with the park officer, you will just create more problems for yourself. Please try to respect laws about taking exotic animals out in public, it's something that can back-fire very easily and create a lot of trouble for the rest of us. This is a debate I've had many times in the reptile-keeping community, not-so-applicable with parrots since few people are parrot-phobic, but still...
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Re: California park laws against Parrots (makes no sense)

Postby Nevermore » Wed Apr 20, 2011 5:15 am

I think everyone here has done a very good job to cover most of the bases, but I just have a few comments to add.

For one; yes your bird can be sick and extremely contagious without you knowing. My sister-in-laws cockatiel has a virus that causes her to self mutilate. The veterinarian told her that a lot of birds have it, but don't express it...I'll have to look up the name...As her cockatiel has lived with two of her other birds in the same cage for years, you can bet they have it too. But neither of them are expressing it.

The same sister-in-law almost lost the same bird when she took her outside years ago. While she was VERY well clipped. The little brat caught a gust of wind and flew over a fence. They found her hours later sitting on top of a pine tree, watching them scouring the neighbourhood for her.

Also, yes. Hawks can, and WILL take bids off the hand. Even trained falconry hawks. Mountsberg employees (a park in Ontario that has rescued wild birds-of-prey) absolutely HATE Harris Hawks. One trained Harris was brought to show off to visitors. It attacked and killed one of the Mountsberg American Kestrels. RIGHT off an employees glove.

And in addition; the transfer of disease can go the other way; from wild animals to your bird. I am very anal about letting my boy outside for that reason (as well as because of the risk of him flying away). If your bird encounters some bird poop, shed parasite eggs, sits on a perch where a mite-ridden bird had sat earlier, drinks from a puddle, etc. etc...you get my drift. You are not just exposing wild birds to your bird. You're exposing your bird to wild birds. And as a domestic bird, YOUR bird has no natural or earned immunity to anything you might find in the wild.

And for interests sake; have a look at this link...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/life/Rose-ringed_Parakeet

It is about the invasion of pet Ring-necked Parakeets in Great Britain. I think its even more scary, because Great Britain is most definitely NOT tropical. But they survive none-the-less.
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Re: California park laws against Parrots (makes no sense)

Postby Nevermore » Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:31 am

Wild animals are called 'wild' for a reason. Keep them that way. Adopt your pets, or buy them from a certified breeder.
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