Parrot Shop Incooperative; Help! (Band #/Breeder/Register Pr

[Maria]

Maria, you're suppose to be able to get a Hatch Certificate, as far as a band, well I would of assumed this is pretty common in shops that the breeders have them banded.

Yes, I can certainly understand not having the breeders information, BUT go back to the shop and ask for a ---> HATCH CERTIFICATE

I hope you guys didn't get into it and have a fight, otherwise if things are good, there is no reason you should not be provided with this...


CHEERS

P.S. Sorry if you got this already, I didn't read everything...

Scotty:

QUESTION:
Do you mean the owner of the parrot shop got those bands from the breeder, upon purchasing the birds from the breeder?

HATCH CERTIFICATE:
This, the parrot shop did provide to me, along with the Purchase Contract, upon my purchasing the parrot from the parrot shop. Purchase contract is also no complete, as I did take this contract back to her for completion. I really appreciate you bringing up the hatch certificate, because actually I thought the hatch certificate was just a cute thing the parrot shop made for each bird sale. I've always saved it though, because it just meant alot to me. Now that you have brought it up in this manner, I will definately know to make it part of my legal documentation. BUT - the hatch certificate does not contain breeder information, so, I'm not sure why you brought this up??? Thank you so much.

[Scotty]

The breeder puts the bands on the birds, it's for the breeders identification and record keeping, as well as yours...

My Hatch Certificate as example lists my bird by the band number, along with it's Hatch date...

The Hatch Certificate could have anything on it, that's just going to be up to the breeder what information they want to list, but it's still a nice piece of information to tell you when your bird was born. My Hatch Certificate looks really nice too, and laminated, some could look cheap, some nice, my looks pretty nice. It's nice documentation to have...

Cheers

[marie83]

It depends what age the shop got the chicks as to who put on the closed ring as they can only be put on at a certain age.

If the breeder doesn't want to be found then there will be no way of identifying them from the band, alot of breeders who don't want to be found will just use a code for their own records rather than a code which can be identified from some sort of organisation like the parrot society.

If the pet shop put the closed rings on then they could be from anywhere, the breeder may have sent them with the chicks or the shop may have got them themselves.

I don't understand why you are persuing this so heavily if i'm honest, it is nice to know where your birds come from, I know this well from not knowing the backgrounds of the majority of mine.
Surely all you need is the band number and species to register the bird? Possibly a couple of photos of any markings that make your bird stand out in case the ring is cut off?

[Maria]

Band number, species, photos, hatch certificate.

Yes, I am good. I've learned alot of things. Including now that the hatch certificate can have anything the breeder (or possibly even shop owner?) wants to put on it. That also some breeders make up their own codes for the bands, and that therefore some codes/numbers can wind up possibly even be duplicated. And that a breeder is not *required* to register their band numbers, etc. And that some breeders don't want people to know what they do, etc.

Yes, all I need was band number, species, to register him, and he is now registered with the AFA (American Federation of Aviculture), in their Exotic Bird Registry. Special photos to go with his file there. He will have his Letter Of Registration from that, his Purchase Contract, and his Hatch Certificate. This will be all that is needed.

Thanks so much ya'll !

[marie83]

Glad you've found a solution. I agree it would be better if ALL animals like dogs, birds and cats had to be registered with a unique number but the only way to do that is by microchipping and even that has a ton of drawbacks

[Maria]

Glad you've found a solution. I agree it would be better if ALL animals like dogs, birds and cats had to be registered with a unique number but the only way to do that is by microchipping and even that has a ton of drawbacks

Wow, interesting; what kind of drawbacks does microchipping have, Marie?

[marie83]

Glad you've found a solution. I agree it would be better if ALL animals like dogs, birds and cats had to be registered with a unique number but the only way to do that is by microchipping and even that has a ton of drawbacks

Wow, interesting; what kind of drawbacks does microchipping have, Marie?

Size of the chip/needle in comparison with the bird. There is a new mini chip available now but its still rather large for a smaller bird.

Ideally it needs doing under anasthetic which could be a risk for birds with underlying health issues.

The fact that found birds are not routinely scanned when found, even if they were there is nothing stopping a person who found the bird from claiming they got the bird elsewhere as vets don't routinely scan new animals at their surgeries. Same applies for stolen birds.

I've heard a few horror stories about vets not placing the chip in exactly the right place and harming the bird or causing the bird irritation so the bird tries to dig the chip out of its own chest. It needs doing by someone who is really experienced at chipping birds.

There are also two types of chip now and they both use different readers so even if the bird is chipped if it is scanned with the wrong reader it could be assumed the bird isn't chipped even if it is.

I think if every new animal registered at a vets surgery or was handed somewhere as a lost bird I would be prepared to take the risk but until then there isn't a cat in hells chance I would put mine through it, especially as they are small species.

[fun-toos]

Don't get mad at the shop. They just want to keep their suppliers private. It is understandable. They are in business to make money and sell birds. They do not have to give you that info either.