Raptors vs Parrot?

[Khaiqha]

A theory is not a casual assumption. Statements like yours is why people say things like "evolution is just a theory."

But anyway, we should define intelligence before people get into a big argument about it. Here's a video on crow intelligence.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlja0i ... crows_tech

[Shelby]

But anyway, we should define intelligence before people get into a big argument about it. Here's a video on crow intelligence.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlja0i ... crows_tech

Wow, very fascinating video! Thanks for sharing.

[daniel.lloydwilliams]

parrots win hands down,

Raptors where nothing like what you seen in Jurassic park. They where no bigger than a chicken and very dense.
There brain was very small and and all evidence points to the real fact that there where as smart as a 3 day old chick

the Hollywood treat ment has made them out to be bigger and better than what they where

[cham87]

Lol everyone a raptor is a bird of prey. Not talking about dinosaurs.

[Graybeard]

The classic marker that separated man from his predecessors was the ability to not only use tools, but to make them. Apes use tools, but don't make them.

Now the (mad) scientists have found that a crow in Indonesia, and the Hawk-headed Parrot, make tools, turning their marker on its head.

Graybeard the Pirate Parrot says, "Go night night" when he's ready, and a few other words that show intentional communication, in addition to learning rhymes and other things.

GB

[dorp]

parrots win hands down,

Raptors where nothing like what you seen in Jurassic park. They where no bigger than a chicken and very dense.
There brain was very small and and all evidence points to the real fact that there where as smart as a 3 day old chick

the Hollywood treat ment has made them out to be bigger and better than what they where

I got some bad news for you if you determine intelligence by brain size.

Graybeard the Pirate Parrot says, "Go night night" when he's ready, and a few other words that show intentional communication, in addition to learning rhymes and other things.

GB

Careful when using your imagination

[liz]

Rambo wanted in the bathroom to his distructive area. We keep the door closed so he can't. Someone pulled the door closed but did not latch it. Myrtle pushed the crack with her beak until she got her head in and then walked the door open for Rambo. I was watching. Of course I didn't let them in but she figured it out.

Myrtle has learned to open jewelry boxes and even desk drawers to get the penciles.

I gave both birds a wheat cracker. Myrtle put hers down and flew away. Rambo saw it. He put his cracker down and got hers. He went back to his cracker but put his foot on her cracker so she could not reclaim it.

Not only do they think but they can make plans too. Parrots are the more intelligent because they get more input. Raptors use all their instincts for survival.

Only a well fed and healthy animal can evolve to the learning situation.

[jayebird]

Put it this way: If parrots were dogs: Loyal, lovable, friendly, always eager to learn new tricks, then raptors would definitely be cats: independent, stubborn, a little wacky, and for the most part perfectly content ignoring us.

This is a very good way of looking at it. Animals that live in herds or packs tend to relate better with humans because we're also social creatures. Social animals tend to develop a heightened ability to sense the emotions/moods/etc. of another and be better at communicating their own moods to others. So it depends on what type of intelligence you're measuring. I don't know and haven't read any studies about problem-solving skills in raptors vs. psittacines vs. passerines, etc, but I assume it would be very different according to each species. A budgie might not be as advanced as a red-tailed hawk an probably neither would rival a crow.

The most famous research that has been done on bird intelligence is obviously the work that Irene Pepperberg did with Alex, the African grey parrot - and those books are AMAZING and I highly recommend them!

[spiral]

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i am not sure about the question of parrot verses raptor in terms of inteligence but we know that raptors bodies have envolved for a different purpose hunting. A raptor has 3 toes whereas a parrot has four toes two pointing forward amd two pionting backwards.

The way a parrot uses its feet to eat is very diferent to a raptors method of eating via tearing flesh with its claws.

There's that guy Marc Moriccone who put an interesting video on the web about valconry verses parrot keeping. He has designed a leash system based on those used by valconers for hawks which has been modified SPECIFICALLY for parrot use.

i came accross the video by accident but i thought you may find it interesting