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Adult Senegal claims it's starved/Pellets pointless?

Postby JaydeParrot » Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:36 am

Hi, my senegals are 7 years old, they used to be alright with a half filled small bowl of seed and a half filled small bowl of mixed fruit a day, now they've started screaming everytime that the bowls are empty, I'll refill each bowl, they eat and scream again.

I'll only refill each bowl twice a day but if I don't refill when they scream, they climb down to the bottom of the cage and start trying to pull seed husks up from behind the grate.

Their cage is open most of the time and I take them for indoor shoulder walks, I dunno if a parrot boredom-eats. I feel bad for my birds when they scream for more food, but it has gotten so often that my family's started joking the birds are going to get too heavy to fly. -I can't help agreeing with them :).

Also, loads of people here talk about pellets rather than seeds, is that just an American thing cuz when I asked the pet shops my in area, the shop keepers didn't seem to know what I was going on about, I've found some on ebay but put simply, a 1kg of seed costs £1.25 and lasts just more than a week, while a 1kg pack of parrot pellets costs around £8 to £10. Basically, it would cost more in a week to feed my small parrots than it would to feed my 27 kg dog.

Honestly, I'm a bit wary of pellets, I don't know what's in them, the cheapest are brightly coloured, which people say are bad anyway. At least when I give them seeds and fruit I know what their eating, parrots don't eat pellets in the wild and I really don't see how feeding them an expensive processed biscuit (pellet) with mulipule ingredients is better than feeding them natural unprocessed seeds.

Anyone got any fors and againsts about pellets?
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Re: Adult Senegal claims it's starved/Pellets pointless?

Postby cml » Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:26 am

First of all, having read through your post, I wonder whether you are weighing your parrots? What was their weights before the food change, and what are they now? This is essential to know so you can manage how much they get, and to know how much they need.

JaydeParrot wrote:Hi, my senegals are 7 years old, they used to be alright with a half filled small bowl of seed and a half filled small bowl of mixed fruit a day, now they've started screaming everytime that the bowls are empty, I'll refill each bowl, they eat and scream again.
I might be misunderstanding you here, but if you refill the bowls when they scream, you are teaching them that screaming leads to more food, which isnt what you want.

They are probably spoiled :P, used to having seeds all day.

I'll only refill each bowl twice a day but if I don't refill when they scream, they climb down to the bottom of the cage and start trying to pull seed husks up from behind the grate.

Is this a design flaw from your cage, or is it possible to prevent?

Their cage is open most of the time and I take them for indoor shoulder walks, I dunno if a parrot boredom-eats. I feel bad for my birds when they scream for more food, but it has gotten so often that my family's started joking the birds are going to get too heavy to fly. -I can't help agreeing with them :).
Freefeeding, regardless of whether its pellets or seeds that are offered can lead to obesesity.

Also, loads of people here talk about pellets rather than seeds, is that just an American thing cuz when I asked the pet shops my in area, the shop keepers didn't seem to know what I was going on about,
Its not an american thing, infact, from my own understanding (which may be totally off, and if any of you think so I appologise*), I sometimes get the feeling lots of people buy parrots in the US without much thought as to what animal they are buying. Parrots seem readily available there in pet shops, which is a huge part of the problem, imo.

Feeding pellets is (or should be)the result of you having done your research and come up with that it is the best solution availabe.
With that said, a pellet only diet isnt good. I prefer to their diet to be pellets, veggies and fruit, and seeds only as treats. Our birds get pellets for breakfast (a determined amount based on their weights), and are fed lots of veggies/fruit in the evening. That way you get the best of both worlds.

I've found some on ebay but put simply, a 1kg of seed costs £1.25 and lasts just more than a week, while a 1kg pack of parrot pellets costs around £8 to £10. Basically, it would cost more in a week to feed my small parrots than it would to feed my 27 kg dog.

Owning parrots is expensive, 8-10£ a week for their pellet supply is nothing. Parrot food is many times more expensive than dog/cat food, simply because its a less common pet, demand is lower, and thus they can charge alot of the people who actually need the stuff.

I estimate that my two parrots have an upkeep of around 100-150£ per month, this being the total cost of toys, food, vet care, cages etc.

Feeding seeds because they are cheaper is a bad idea, as they arent as nutrious, and way too fatty and can cause serious liver problems down the line. This can lead to either a dead parrot, or huge vet bills.

Honestly, I'm a bit wary of pellets, I don't know what's in them, the cheapest are brightly coloured, which people say are bad anyway. At least when I give them seeds and fruit I know what their eating, parrots don't eat pellets in the wild and I really don't see how feeding them an expensive processed biscuit (pellet) with mulipule ingredients is better than feeding them natural unprocessed seeds.
Stay away from the cheap and colorful ones. Grey_moon made a list of pellets brands and their ingredients etc, see if you can find it with the search function.
Anyone got any fors and againsts about pellets?

Yes, see above :D .

*Mainly based on a lot of posts made here on this forum.
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Re: Adult Senegal claims it's starved/Pellets pointless?

Postby Michael » Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:14 am

JaydeParrot wrote:At least when I give them seeds and fruit I know what their eating, parrots don't eat pellets in the wild and I really don't see how feeding them an expensive processed biscuit (pellet) with mulipule ingredients is better than feeding them natural unprocessed seeds.


Because parrots don't seeds in the wild and especially not that kind of seeds. Worse yet, when you give seeds in abundance, they only eat the ones they like most. The ones they like most are usually highest in fat content and otherwise no nutritional value. Feeding them an all seed diet is even more unnatural than feeding pellets because the seeds don't represent any kind of nutritional balance. While the pellets are processed, they incorporate different ingredients, vitamins, and minerals so they are healthier, balanced, and consumable. The parrot cannot pick and choose favorites so it just has to get the full nutritional balance.

The pellets I use have over 30 years of research backing them. Pellets may not be perfect but they are proven to be healthier than an all seed diet. Veterinarians always complain about too many birds with obesity or organ problems coming in on all seed diets.

As for your store not knowing about Pellets, it's not an un-American thing. That's common here to. Most stupid pet stores and crappy bird stores are the same way and just feed seed diets cause it is cheap and easy. Only the better stores and vets carry good pellet diets.

And why shouldn't the parrot food cost more than the dog food? These creatures are for more complex, intelligent, and physically capable. They should be worth just as much but their cost may be a lot more. That said, if you feed the right portion of pellets, it's not expensive. I think I feed my parrots pellets for 14 cents a day or $4 a month by buying in bulk and freezing.
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Re: Adult Senegal claims it's starved/Pellets pointless?

Postby GreenWing » Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:43 am

I agree with the other posts, parrots aren't getting the nutrition they need with seeds; pellets like Roudybush (I also swear by it after feeding it to my Sennie as per Michael's recommendation) provides the nutrients parrots need.

Personally I think seeds are best reserved as a treat and shouldn't be a main staple in a parrot's diet, but that's just me.
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Re: Adult Senegal claims it's starved/Pellets pointless?

Postby cml » Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:44 am

Actually, a 1 kg-bag of pellets should last two senegals at least 3 weeks, not one :shock: ! That puts the cost down to roughly ~3£/week, surely thats not too expensive :)?

My birds are bigger than yours and they go through 1kg in about 3-4 weeks.
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Re: Adult Senegal claims it's starved/Pellets pointless?

Postby marie83 » Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:01 pm

I agree with the others, a kg bag should last ALOT longer than that, even if it was the only food you were feeding (which isn't a good idea). I buy 5lb bags and they last me at least 6-9 months. I would expect that to feed two senegals it would last about half that amount of time (pure guess as I've never kept sennies). I do also feed fruits, veggies, occasional herbs, sprouted seeds and a bit of dry seed. They will also occasionally get the odd bit of human food like dry toast, wholegrain pasta or rice.

I'm assuming your in the UK as you gave the amount in pounds. I would suggest ordering online and buying a big bag as that saves you money. I freeze what I can't use in a week and get another weeks worth out each time. When I place a food order I take the opportunity to buy a couple of new toys as this gets me free postage.

If your not already I strongly suggest you start weighing your birds, preferably daily but at least once a week as losses and occasionally unexpected weight gain can be the first sign something is wrong with their health. Also weigh the portions of food you give them and then weigh any leftovers as again this can be one of the first clues something is wrong if they change their eating habits.

Your right to be wary of coloured pellets, some people find them useful in the seed to pellet conversion if they can't convert by other methods but I would steer well clear of long term use if you must go down that route. Northern parrots has an excellent guide on converting parrots to pellets, it was written by Liz Wilson. You don't need to follow the guide to the letter you should adapt it to yours and your parrots needs, for example at the time I converted Harlie she wouldn't touch any food that was wet so I didn't use the mash up a few pellets and mix with seed method. There are a lot of other good guides out there too, I particularly like that one though as it stresses the importance of monitoring weight vs intake.
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Re: Adult Senegal claims it's starved/Pellets pointless?

Postby Wayne361 » Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:03 pm

Micheals correct. If you feed proper portions you will have far less waste/spoilage from the bird(s). I buy approx 2 bags of pellets/year. Each bag costs me $18. $36/year = $3/month. This is total pellet cost. With veggies and small amounts of fruit probably $10/month total cost. I have one :senegal:

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Re: Adult Senegal claims it's starved/Pellets pointless?

Postby JaydeParrot » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:49 am

Hi, thanks for the insightful responses, :). Was wondering if there is anywhere online that sells roudybush as the only non-coloured pellets ebay sells are Zupreem and Beaphar- are either good brands?

Also, what kind of scales are people using to weigh their parrots, is it the same kind used to weigh kitchen products like flour or is it a different type?
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Re: Adult Senegal claims it's starved/Pellets pointless?

Postby marie83 » Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:01 pm

I just use ordinary digital kitchen scales but they must weigh to or within the gram.
If your in the UK then roudybush isn't available here, Northern parrots, scarlets parrot essentials and midland parrots amongst others all sell a range of pellets. I would recommend totally organics (TOPS) as a first choice, failing that harrisons as second choice in conjunction with a wide range of fresh foods.
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Re: Adult Senegal claims it's starved/Pellets pointless?

Postby cml » Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:12 pm

marie83 wrote:I just use ordinary digital kitchen scales but they must weigh to or within the gram.
If your in the UK then roudybush isn't available here, Northern parrots, scarlets parrot essentials and midland parrots amongst others all sell a range of pellets. I would recommend totally organics (TOPS) as a first choice, failing that harrisons as second choice in conjunction with a wide range of fresh foods.

Aye, Northern Parrots is a great store, I buy most of my parrot stuff from there. It's not exclusive to the UK either, they deliver worldwide I think.

EDIT: Wanted to add that I dont think pellets are available for shipping abroad, as there are quite a few laws prohibiting trade of foods etc. All the other stuff is though!
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