Intestinal problem, watery poop

by **Pajarita** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 12:29 pm

I forgot to tell you, get him Keybiotics. They are, according to an independent study, the best probiotics in the market (most number of strains, largest live bacteria population). Yogurt is pretty useless.

No eggs, no human food (you need to eliminate salt COMPLETELY).

by **liz8200** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 7:12 pm

I am feeling so sad after reading the replays. I don't know what to do now. I still have not gotten a call back from the vet. I tried to get him on pellets when I first got him. The vets all said give him what your eating. I never gave over a few bit's of the junk at a time.

The Vet tested him for the kidneys, and liver problems. He took blood and sent it to a good lab. They where Negative.
I am going to call the vet in a few minuets again and leave a message asking to talk about what he has tested. He told me the last visit that there is something birds can get that's like polyps and he wanted to put a probe in his but to look for them. Has anyone heard of that?
I am feeding him the Gloop now.
I dont know if the vet is waiting for me to ask for an appointment, or what.

by **liz** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 8:39 pm

Do you think it is time to take a picture? That would probably help.

by **Wolf** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 8:54 pm

Are you speaking of cloacal papillomas ? It could be a possibility as you mentioned a cockatiel that had similar problems and got over it by itself. Spontaneous remission is common with this disorder as is recurrences of it, It is believed to be caused by a herpes type virus and is contagious. Watch to see if your conure appears to strain to poop.

by **liz8200** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 4:51 am

He does strain in the morning. I haven't seen him do it lately but he would come out of the cage in the morning and go back and forth and strain to go .He may do it 2or 3 times before he's goes It was funny because you don't think of a bird straining like that but he does. So it is possible it did cause lite blood in his poop.
I will get the pic latter today. I put down white paper for it to be clear.

by **Wolf** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:15 am

Yes, it is very possible and since you had a cockatiel that was doing the same type of thing that went away I would have him checked for this as soon as possible and if it proves to be the problem then you will have to treat both birds for this and not expose any other birds to this as it is very contagious.

by **Pajarita** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 12:10 pm

Hmmmm, well, actually cloacal papillomas are visible from the outside. They are, sometimes, confused with prolapse but they are visible so it can't be that. It could be papillomas in the intestines but, as far as I know, the symptoms are vomiting, diarrhea (not watery poop) and weight loss. But, who knows? It could be that your bird presents a different symptom that the norm. There are other tests that can be done for this disease without doing an endoscopy (this is the test the vet wants to do) which is, obviously, quite invasive. There is fluoroscopy, PCR and viral testing because although there is controversy as to the actual virus that causes papillomatosis (some say herpes, some say papillomavirus, some say Pacheco) everybody agrees it is a virus so another way of 'testing' would be to treat the bird with acyclovir and lysine and see if the symptoms decrease or disappear.

Now, I don't mean to scare you but just to give you a heads up on this, if it is papillomas, they will require some sort of surgical intervention to remove them so, maybe, endoscopy would not be such a bad choice because the vet could, if he found the papillomas with the endoscope, remove them right then and there. But, as far as I know (my info could be outdated, though), the disease itself is not curable, the same as herpes is not curable. You can, with very good care (diet, reduction of stress, supplements, medicines, etc), increase quality of life and keep it under control for a long while - but you can't really cure it. It might go into remission for a while but, eventually, it will progress.

Now, as to the tests, the only one you need to ask whether it was done or not is the bile acids because a regular avian chem panel would have shown reliable results for kidney function.

by **liz8200** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 2:55 pm

I tried to attached a pic of his poop in the smallest size and it doesn't work. Any suggestions?
I am going to call during work hours tomorrow and see if I can talk to the vet.