Intestinal problem, watery poop

[bean]

Pajarita, the liver cleansers and tonics, for a parrot with FLD other than the Milk Thistle are what? He is taking the mixture 2x daily called Liver MX Lactus/SYLM/SAM-E and Omega 3 Booster, which I believe is palm oil enriched with perilla seed oil. Is there additional things I can be giving him to help further, and is the above listed a good choice. Thank you.

[Pajarita]

I've never heard of that supplement and I put the name you gave (Liver MX Lactus/SYLM/SAM-E and Omega 3 Booster) on my search engine and came back with nothing (zilch, nada!) so I have no idea exactly what's in it, how it was processed, what the concentration is and whether is bad or good. Now, I am assuming the SYML to be short for sylimarin, the chemical compound found in certain plants that cleanse and tonic the liver (milk thistle seed hulls been VERY high on it). Now, the trick with sylimarin is that you need alcohol to get it 'out' of the plant material but alcohol is not good for birds although it doesn't affect mammals with liver problems (in small dosages, of course) so I use an extract that although it's originally made with alcohol, it has been 'cleaned' out afterward and is non-alcoholic in its final form (I also use the milk thistle capsules). Sam-E is very good for the liver and it's the next 'step' after methionine (which is what I give mine as Sam-E requires been ingested in a capsule or hard-shelled form -it deteriorates VERY fast if you wet it or if you crush it and leave it exposed to air and I mix the supplements into their gloop and water). And I do provide omega 3 by adding flax seed as well as walnuts, kale, broccoli, squash, etc. But I don't know where the Lactus is about although I would assume it has to do with milk, making this not an avian supplement but a mammal one.

I use non-alcoholic milk thistle and dandelion root extract in their water plus milk thistle, dandelion root, methionine and vit B6 in their gloop. I also give them lots of food rich in vit C (excellent for healing the liver) and betacarotene.

[Wolf]

I googled it in parts and under liver cancer mx is used to indicate that the cancer has spread(M) but they are unable to asses how far(X) So it appears to me that he is being treated for liver cancer.

[bean]

He is absolutely not being treated for liver cancer. He is being treated for Fatty Liver Disease. I should think I would at least know the difference between my vet telling me my parrot has liver cancer, and fatty liver disease. If the treatment protocols are the same I would be surprised. Anyway, im sure he is not being treated for, nor been diagnosed with, liver cancer!

[Wolf]

I am sure that you do know the difference, but it is possible that the cleansing treatment for the liver is the same, perhaps because of the extent of the problem. This is also a harder thread to follow as we are answering two different people with similar issues in the same post and to be honest I was thinking that I was answering the other person as they were receiving some medical treatment but could not tell us for what the bird was being treated. I did not realize that I was replying on your bird. But that is still the only reference to this that I have been able to locate, so I would think that for your bird that the doctor is using what he considers as an aggressive liver cleansing solution. I am sure that he his trying to restore normal liver function as rapidly as possible. I apologise for my mix up on who I was referring too.

[bean]

No apology needed. If I souned gruff, didnt mean to. I have been very upset about my Beans condition. My animals are everything to me. To here those words shocked me. Anyway the label is supposed to read LIVER MIX- LACTUS/SYLM/SAM-E not LIVER MX. They ran out of charecters on the label for the Rx bottle.

[Pajarita]

I tried the new name but nothing came up, either. Which lab makes it? Maybe I can find it that way... Or, is it possible that this is something your vet prepares on his own and not a commercial product?

[Wolf]

I understand, believe me I care about your bean as much as if he were my own bird, I am also quite concerned over this.

[bean]

Yes, I found out that it is compounded, so the vet does mix it on his own. He is the only Certified Aviary Vet in at least 150 mile radius of where I live. So I hope he knows whet he's doing. And I do appreciate all of the help you and Wolf have been giving me with Bean. He ate his first bowl of gloop today. All that was left in the bowl was shells. Now, I was doing the corn, in the order you told me to, to no avail, so I changed it a little. I removed the corn, and put in beets, and carrots(and white beans) instead. Also, I made a new batch of Pilaf, this time MORE al dente, almost snapping to the bite. I also put about a teaspoon of chopped garclic (I hope not too much), in one bag of Pilaf. He ate the whole bowl this morning. I even gave him a little more. In a few days I will add corn again, as I will other vegetables, assuming (praying) he continues to eat it. He had gloop plastered to his beak, he really dove in. I did have to sit in front of his cage and make a big production, od eating the mixture myself, at 6:30 this morning, before he really got started, but its a small price to pay. Its was actually not bad. I have also had to do this with his Rx, and it worked there too. Anyway I wanted to give an update. Thanks.

[Pajarita]

Great news!!! It should be fair-weather sailing with the gloop from now on because the most difficult part is convincing them to try it. And isn't that gloopy beak the most wonderful thing to behold?!

See if you can find out the ingredients of the supplement. I am curious as to how he manages to maintain the effectiveness of SamE in a liquid form...