Intestinal problem, watery poop

[Wolf]

Yay!! That is just the best news I have had in nearly a month. This is great, GO BEAN!!!

[liz8200]

Thanks for all the information. I will go over all of it latter. I sent Pajarita a message asking her if I can fax the lab results to her. I have tried for a few days to get the results in a file on my computer so I can attach the file or cut and past. I want to post them and see what you think.

One good thing is the vets secretary said my bird is in heat. After she talked to the vet he said the same thing. Thats why he is screaming all day. He is acting like the times he was in heat. I hope its just once a year. I feel better about that.

I called to talk to his vet and the Vet said he has done everything he can do and gave me the name of a specialist. Next week I will call for an appointment.
I am not as panicked, but I need to get this done soon

[bean]

Assuming Bean conitues eating the gloop, and I keep adding more variety or vegetables every few days, per the plan, do I then begin to do away with the 1/4 cup of seeds at the end of the day, since he has FLD? Also Bean's polyuria seems to have improved. His urine used to soak thru several layers of newspaper, sometimes 4-5, now it only 1-2. Could his liver be getting better in only a few weeks? Im skeptical, due to the short period of time. I dont think he dehydrated, the skin around his eyes looks fine, and his skin is elastic and bounces back, no tenting. So I just dont know??? By the way, Pajarita, I will inquire about the rx when I see the Dr. in the next couple weeks. God maybe I have at least a glimmer of hope here.

[Wolf]

Although the liver is one of the few organs that is capable of regenerating and healing, Bean will probably always need to have liver cleansers as a part of his diet for the rest of his life. But depending how much it heals he could easily go onto live a fairly normal life, with the aid of the liver cleansers. As for whether to cut the 1/4 cup of seeds at night, I would not think so, but you should listen to Pajarita concerning this.

[Pajarita]

No, you can't eliminate or even reduce protein intake that much. Protein is necessary for life, it's the second largest element in bodies (after water) and it's needed for muscles, internal organs, energy, hormone production, even antibodies.

And, yes, a few weeks of treatment will show improvement. That's the wonderful thing about the liver... even when it's bad, as long as there is still sufficient function, it starts getting better as soon as you start helping it.

[bean]

What type of budgie seed mix do you use, I cant find the post where you list it? Also, I have a concern that is bothering me a bit more that past few days, that is high on the front top of his legs, very high, thighs I guess, but not the stomach, the feathers look a little tattered, ragged, where they did not before. I don't know what to make of this new symptom, if that's what it is. It has been about 3-5 days like this.

[Pajarita]

I use ABBA 1600 for my budgies, tiels and birds with liver problems and add some flax seed to it. This time of the year, I also add hemp to one batch and quinoa to the next (I am also sprouting my first batch of the year right now -I only feed sprouts during spring) and, when the breeding season is over and we are approaching molt (late June), I add sesame seed, too.

My birds are all showing 'ragged' feathers here and there. We are approaching molt season which means pretty much means the end of the 'usable life' of a feather (two years for parrots) so the ones that are going to molt are looking poor but it's normal. Now, if he has a 'concentration' of ragged feathers in one single spot, he could be barbering them.

[liz8200]

A few pages back A few of you were talking about getting a bird on Goop. While talking about that some of you have scheduled when you feed and what you feed. Do you think that matters what time I wake them up and put them to bed. You said you feed them at dawn.

I have always left seed in there bowl, I did throw out the seeds they did not eat every day.
I will start getting them on a schedule.

[Wolf]

Yes, it is very important. The light that occurs just before dawn and during dusk just before dark has special properties that adjust the bird biological clock, keeping it in tune with the seasons and this clock times the release of the hormones that control the birds bodily functions including the breeding and molting cycles. The type and amount of food also act as a trigger for the breeding cycles.

Here are the files containing the test results that you sent me to post, I also sent a copy to Pajarita.

[Pajarita]

Elaborating a bit more on Wolf's answer which explained why dawn and dusk are so important. It's also very important to time the meals correctly when you are switching them and continue this routine until the bird has gotten to a level where it eats a LARGE range of produce (the birds in the birdroom, which have been with me for years, don't need the 'steps', they get everything served together because I know they will eat anything I give them so it's not as if you have to do this for the rest of the bird's life).

Birds are hungriest in the morning so, if you leave seeds in their cage overnight, they will start eating them even before you uncover them (they are smart and already figured out that you will take them out so they hurry to eat as many as possible before you take them away) and will not be hungry enough to try something new. I take their seed and water bowl when they are all finished and almost or already asleep. In the morning, I uncover them when it's still quite dark and the sky is beginning to get some light (6 am this time of the year) then, at around 7 am I turn on the lights that are not directly above their cages (my dining room chandelier) and give them fresh water, a leafy green, a piece of fruit and one of veggie (and I eat something in front of them repeating what I call the 'food mantra'). At 7:15 or 7:30 am (it depends on how bright the day is), I turn on their full spectrum lights above their cages (they are also on the ceiling so although they are above the cage, they are not close-close to them) and give them their gloop. I've been using this system for years and it works like a charm.