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help. mystery illness

Postby bheart80 » Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:32 pm

Hi, I need help with a sick bird. I have been to multiple avian vets with no success getting her better.
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I have a breeding pair of Pacific Parrotlets that have no identifiable problems. I have had them for 2 years, and they have had babies a few times, and no babies have had any problems until now.

In their last clutch they had 3 babies. 1 baby had noticeable "gunk" in 1 eye while still in the nest.

1) I thought it was maybe an injury, so I applied Terramycin for 10 days. It seemed to go away.

My friend took the babies to handfeed. The eye problem came back, and spread to a sibling also. So I took them to the vet.

2) The vet prescribed eyedrops, Neomycin & Polymyxin B Sulfates & Dexamethasone Opthalmic Suspension USP.

This didn't stop the "gunk" from coming out of the eye, and the gunk was so sticky that when the bird tried to rub it off, she would just end up with her own feathers stuck to her eye. This happened repeatedly so _I_ had to pluck every feather that got stuck. The skin is so loose, I couldn't trim because I might cut the skin. So my friend took them to another vet.

3) The vet prescribed eyedrops, Necain (spanish label): Neomicina, Dexamethasona 21 fosfato, Vehiculo c.b.p.. Almost the same thing as the 1st vet.

This seemed to fix the SECOND bird in 3 days (has never reoccurred), but NOT the ORIGINAL bird. The "gunk" in the eye by now had started to cloud and solidify over the eye, blocking vision. It's extremely sticky and I need a tweezers to pull it off the poor bird's face, 1-3 times a day. I took the bird to a 3rd person.

4) The 3rd person said the Neomycin (1st vet) was correct, but I had bad application instruction, so he suggested I do it again correctly.

This didn't seem to fix anything on the original bird. I went to a couple avian specialists (not vets) who suggested I try:

5) Duramycin-10: Tetracycline Hydrochloride Soluble Powder. I tried this for 10 days with no effect.

At this point I started noticing the nostrils were crusted shut. I'm not aware If this is new, or I missed it in the beginning. I also tweezed these open, and began draining the nostrils of gunk every time I uncovered the eyes, 1-3 times a day.

6) Next I tried Koryn Triple (spanish label): Sulphametoxipiridacine, Trimetropine, Tilosine, Excipient c.b.p. for 10 days.

Surprisingly, this MAY HAVE cleared up the nostrils, but the eyes still gunked over, a few times a day (same rate as before). A few days after I stopped, the nostrils started getting gunked up again.

7) I'm supposed to try Colloidal Silver next, but it's still in the mail.

I asked for a culture, but the vet seems to think I will be wasting my money at another $300-$600 + exam fees, on a bird that they think will pass soon. This has all happened over 2 months. After the Koryn Triple, I noticed the "cheeks" were swollen, red, and actually protruding on both sides. I can gently squeeze them, and gunk starts coming out of the nostrils in very small quantity, but NOT from the eyes. Since vision keeps getting constricted, the bird is not eating as much as she should be, and begs to be handfed still. I feed her twice a day, and this also makes her nostrils push out some gunk. Gunk in eyes and nostrils is white/clear wet, and yellow dry. Whatever this problem is, in _MY_ opinion, it seems limited to the head, and the bird is otherwise very energetic.

I would love to get some more opinions, or experience on what this may be, and how I can deal with it. I can do more tests, but it will be a shot in the dark without some guidance. I don't want to wait for a necropsy. I even tried the vet college nearby, but my contacts are gone, and new one's are not interested in a mystery case.

Parents are still okay. Two siblings are still okay. Birds in cages nearby the parents are all okay. As a precaution I tossed the old cage (EVERYTHING) and nestbox. Previously, I had only been hardcore cleaning and disinfecting the cage/nest after a clutch. So she STARTED in a sanitary situation. No idea how this all originated.

This bird is quarantined, and I Kennelsol each time I finish with her to keep from contaminating anything else.

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^recent with swollen "cheeks"
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Re: help. mystery illness

Postby bheart80 » Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:33 pm

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^cheeks, side view
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Re: help. mystery illness

Postby bheart80 » Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:34 pm

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^no swollen cheeks, gunked over eye, before peeling off
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Re: help. mystery illness

Postby bheart80 » Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:35 pm

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^eye after gunk off
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Re: help. mystery illness

Postby Wolf » Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:59 pm

I have never seen anything like this before. I am digging through my medical texts and such, but can't promise anything.
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Re: help. mystery illness

Postby bheart80 » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:20 pm

Any ideas are appreciated.

A few minor edits have now been made above.

I was told to test for Chlamydia, but my understanding is that would be treated with tetracycline, which I have already tried with no luck.

My own [people] doctor suggested I test for pseudomonas, and I'm waiting for the kit now also.

I can send a "gunk" sample if anybody wants to get microscopic.
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Re: help. mystery illness

Postby Wolf » Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:05 pm

All indications that I have found in my medical books as well as online point to chlamydia psittacosis which is treated with tetracycline or doxycycline for a period of 45 days minimum and this disease must be treated in all birds on the premises and you should also note that it is transmissible to humans.
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Re: help. mystery illness

Postby bheart80 » Fri Nov 20, 2015 12:34 am

Wolf wrote:All indications that I have found in my medical books as well as online point to chlamydia psittacosis which is treated with tetracycline or doxycycline for a period of 45 days minimum and this disease must be treated in all birds on the premises and you should also note that it is transmissible to humans.


Oh joy. I'm already waiting on sample collection kits from http://avianbiotech.com/Pricing.htm. Am I correct to assume the "Chlamydia" test on this page is applicable to "Chlamydia Psittacosis"? I've heard of both Chlamydia and Psittacosis, but not both terms together, so I'm slightly confused. Any other likely candidates? They have "combo" tests that can be done for a discount (see same page). I can hit more guesses at once for less money. Or any to rule out completely? Thanks
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Re: help. mystery illness

Postby Wolf » Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:33 am

There are more than one variety of the of the Chlamydia bacteria and it is difficult to test for and because of this vets must use a variety of testing techniques. If you are going to go through a private lab, then you need to contact the lab for information on proper collection of, packaging and shipping of the sample as failure to do one thing correctly can ruin the test results.
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Re: help. mystery illness

Postby liz » Fri Nov 20, 2015 7:10 am

I have no knowledge of this illness. I just wanted to tell you that I hope you find the answer to the problem and that you do not catch it.
Wolf researches when he does not know and his info is your best help. Pajarita may have another angle on it.
Keeping my fingers crossed.
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