Healthy Raw Diet for Parrots Sprouting

[seagoatdeb]

As to the gluten non-celiac sensitivity, there are studies that seem to prove that, in reality, it might not even exist.

Your statement is incorrect. You will need to research a lot better to understand the problem with Gluten. I will refer you to this link about proper testing and how dangerous your statement is to health. But you will need a lot more study to understand it. I have researched for a massive amount of time for the health of my family. My husband has Celiac disease and measured easily on the simple blood test. My daughter does not measure on the simple test and going off gluten has changed her life. I dont seem to have any gluten problems myself, but both my daughter and I have the potato allergy. I can tell you it took a long time, with my daughter sufferring terribly, until she went off gluten, because of this kind of misinformation. http://chriskresser.com/3-reasons-glute ... c-disease/

[Leanna]

As to the gluten non-celiac sensitivity, there are studies that seem to prove that, in reality, it might not even exist.

Your statement is incorrect. You will need to research a lot better to understand the problem with Gluten. I will refer you to this link about proper testing and how dangerous your statement is to health. But you will need a lot more study to understand it. I have researched for a massive amount of time for the health of my family. My husband has Celiac disease and measured easily on the simple blood test. My daughter does not measure on the simple test and going off gluten has changed her life. I dont seem to have any gluten problems myself, but both my daughter and I have the potato allergy. I can tell you it took a long time, with my daughter sufferring terribly, until she went off gluten, because of this kind of misinformation. http://chriskresser.com/3-reasons-glute ... c-disease/

I had to really think for a while before I posted I was so upset by Pajaritas comment. She could have simply posted something to the effect that she feeds Wheat and thinks its fine for parrots. But she decided to say that Celiac sensitivity in humans might not even exist, that was completely uncalled for and I am Celiac sensitive. Diagnosed by a doctor! Who is the moderator, owner, person to contact? Can someone advise me, they are not listed anywhere I can find?

[marie83]

As to the gluten non-celiac sensitivity, there are studies that seem to prove that, in reality, it might not even exist.

Your statement is incorrect. You will need to research a lot better to understand the problem with Gluten. I will refer you to this link about proper testing and how dangerous your statement is to health. But you will need a lot more study to understand it. I have researched for a massive amount of time for the health of my family. My husband has Celiac disease and measured easily on the simple blood test. My daughter does not measure on the simple test and going off gluten has changed her life. I dont seem to have any gluten problems myself, but both my daughter and I have the potato allergy. I can tell you it took a long time, with my daughter sufferring terribly, until she went off gluten, because of this kind of misinformation. http://chriskresser.com/3-reasons-glute ... c-disease/

I had to really think for a while before I posted I was so upset by Pajaritas comment. She could have simply posted something to the effect that she feeds Wheat and thinks its fine for parrots. But she decided to say that Celiac sensitivity in humans might not even exist, that was completely uncalled for and I am Celiac sensitive. Diagnosed by a doctor! Who is the moderator, owner, person to contact? Can someone advise me, they are not listed anywhere I can find?

you want to report her for a difference in opinion?
It is a fact that some studies have come back inconclusive, others negative and others positive. You can't really argue with the fact that based on that then it very well might not exist in some ways or in the context is has been locked at.

I'm glad your feeling better for your change in diet though.

[Wolf]

First things first, Leanna has Pm me and I am awaiting her reply to me, That will be taken care of differently, as moderator. I only mention it because it was already brought up on the forum.
Now, with that out of the way, this reply is not moderator, this is me and some, not all of my thoughts. Seagoatdeb, Your choice of words should probably be looked at as Pajarita's statement concerning Celiacs Disease or non celiac gluten sensitivity is not incorrect as shown in your own link there have indeed been studies refuting the existence of this horrible condition, and that is all that she said about it. Perhaps she could have also stated that there are other studies that support the existence of this disease, but she did not, but that does not make her statement incorrect.
Beyond this, I do not know what to think about this condition as of yet. I am sure that my opinion is going to go through multiple changes over time. Why ? My newest neighbors wife and child are affected by at least gluten sensitivity, which I only recently became aware of as I have been asked to pick him up after school since the parents jobs are preventing them from being able to do this themselves and this means that he eats once a day here with us. So I will be looking into this more closely, both scientifically and from personal observations.

[Pajarita]

As to the gluten non-celiac sensitivity, there are studies that seem to prove that, in reality, it might not even exist.

Your statement is incorrect. You will need to research a lot better to understand the problem with Gluten. I will refer you to this link about proper testing and how dangerous your statement is to health. But you will need a lot more study to understand it. I have researched for a massive amount of time for the health of my family. My husband has Celiac disease and measured easily on the simple blood test. My daughter does not measure on the simple test and going off gluten has changed her life. I dont seem to have any gluten problems myself, but both my daughter and I have the potato allergy. I can tell you it took a long time, with my daughter sufferring terribly, until she went off gluten, because of this kind of misinformation. http://chriskresser.com/3-reasons-glute ... c-disease/

Seagoat, I wasn't referring to Celiac disease, I was referring to gluten sensitivity. And, although Kresser and others swear by it, there are several sources that state that, although they don't deny some people do have symptoms, they might not be due to actual gluten sensitivity but to other causes (they mention IBS, allergy to common ingredients mixed with flour like soy, and something called FODMAP) - see these:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... -for-real/
http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/20 ... exist.html
http://www.medicinenet.com/nonceliac_gl ... /page2.htm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-david- ... 26584.html

I did not state it does not exist, I simply stated that there is doubt among the scientific community - and, as you can see by the links provided, it wasn't an irresponsible statement made off the top of my head. As to the possibility of parrots having it, on that I am giving my personal opinion and it is that I highly doubt it because I've been feeding it to mine for over 20 years with no consequence to their health (and I am not talking about 2 or 3 parrots, I am talking in the hundreds and, if you go by all the parrots that eat pellets made with wheat, you will find that there are thousands) and they do eat wheat in the wild (and I know this because I've seen them doing it with my own two eyes and because the wheat growers in my country hate them for the destruction of their crops).

[seagoatdeb]

First things first, Leanna has Pm me and I am awaiting her reply to me, That will be taken care of differently, as moderator. I only mention it because it was already brought up on the forum.
Now, with that out of the way, this reply is not moderator, this is me and some, not all of my thoughts. Seagoatdeb, Your choice of words should probably be looked at as Pajarita's statement concerning Celiacs Disease or non celiac gluten sensitivity is not incorrect as shown in your own link there have indeed been studies refuting the existence of this horrible condition, and that is all that she said about it. Perhaps she could have also stated that there are other studies that support the existence of this disease, but she did not, but that does not make her statement incorrect.
Beyond this, I do not know what to think about this condition as of yet. I am sure that my opinion is going to go through multiple changes over time. Why ? My newest neighbors wife and child are affected by at least gluten sensitivity, which I only recently became aware of as I have been asked to pick him up after school since the parents jobs are preventing them from being able to do this themselves and this means that he eats once a day here with us. So I will be looking into this more closely, both scientifically and from personal observations.

My comment was that I dont use the grains because so many are sensitive to gluten so I dont chance it, and that is my choice to feed based on my observations. It was innocently made and I never told anyone not to use wheat. We all will feed our birds on what we think is best based on our own life experiences and study. I dont understand why, that woud bring on a need for a celiac siensitivity debunking post. Many make posts that dont feed some things Pajarita feeds but she lets most go by. Why is it often me or a new member that she doesnt let go by. Why is there the need to find links for so many of my innocent comments. My link was to show the proper test to use to look for every antibody you might have for every part of wheat, that way you can have a lab proven diagnosis. All those news reports based on one persons study, have been splashed everywhere. They have caused many people to not get a diagnosis because their insurance wont pay in the States. in Canada it prevents our medical from allowing the test. The test that checks for Celiac is widely available. Gluten Sensitive peolple have a lot harder time both in getting help, and in getting a proper diagnosis.

[seagoatdeb]

Is anyone else experiencing probelms with the forum acting up?

[seagoatdeb]

The forum is having serious issues today. the site has been sketchy for me all day.

[seagoatdeb]

.The forum is having serious issues today. the site has been sketchy for me all day. Darn it, wont let me delete the duplicate post.

[Leanna]

As to the gluten non-celiac sensitivity, there are studies that seem to prove that, in reality, it might not even exist.

I had to really think for a while before I posted I was so upset by Pajaritas comment. She could have simply posted something to the effect that she feeds Wheat and thinks its fine for parrots. But she decided to say that Celiac sensitivity in humans might not even exist, that was completely uncalled for and I am Celiac sensitive. Diagnosed by a doctor! Who is the moderator, owner, person to contact? Can someone advise me, they are not listed anywhere I can find?

you want to report her for a difference in opinion?
It is a fact that some studies have come back inconclusive, others negative and others positive. You can't really argue with the fact that based on that then it very well might not exist in some ways or in the context is has been locked at.

I'm glad your feeling better for your change in diet though.

I did not say I wanted to report her for a difference of opinion. I have also made no report. I want a moderator, owner to look at the posting of disparaging remarks about Human medical conditions in a parrot forum and decide if that is appropriate here. It is not tolerated in most forums and I want to know if this is acceptable here. I cant access your pm to me and I cant pm you. A lot of functions arent working on the forum today. Thanks for the comment about my improvement in health, too many rushed trips to the hospital before I finally became gluten free and healthy.