Natural Diet for Parrots danger of cooked grains

[Pajarita]

Seagoatdeb, there are NO studies on any other diet except seeds and pellets, period. There are certainly no studies whatsoever on the diet you are feeding, either, but you still think it's the best option, right?

[seagoatdeb]

:lol:Seagoatdeb, there are NO studies on any other diet except seeds and pellets, period. There are certainly no studies whatsoever on the diet you are feeding, either, but you still think it's the best option, right?

i am aware there are no long term studies,and the only ones are on all seed or all pellets. There are no studies on feeding grains even though many have accepted it, even the parrrot trust feeds for the short term to get parrrots healthy fast to return them to the jungle, and does not know what would happen in the long term. I am feeding as close to what they ate in nature as possible which is the best you can do in my opinion. Both my parrots get a little different based on what I can find out about their natural diet and also Wolf helped me find it for Sunny. Now I am asking you to please agree to disagree so we do not go over the same ground continually.

[Pajarita]

We have agreed to disagree and I have no problem with it. My point was that you cannot use a specific argument against a diet you don't support when it can also be used against the one that you do -golden rule and all that

[seagoatdeb]

We have agreed to disagree and I have no problem with it. My point was that you cannot use a specific argument against a diet you don't support when it can also be used against the one that you do -golden rule and all that

Well you have totally lost me, how can you possible feed a better diet than as close to what the specific parrot has eaten for many generations in the wild? 20 years without proper notes and without comparing to other parrots on another diet cant really tell you anything about the effects of feeding 20 percent or so of cooked grains. Parrots you rescued where mostly being fed wrong and neglected so they would of course improve from the diet you gave them. I dont get what you are saying above, but I will no longer comment, I dont want this to be a debate or argument, since no one can possibly be sure what they are doing is the best, we have to continually learn and we do depend on science and studies to catch up. Maybe someone else will come along with some fresh insights, which is what I hoped for.

[Pajarita]

I obviously did not explain myself correctly. I wasn't arguing about the diets themselves, I was talking about the 'no studies' argument you always use when talking about feeding grains to parrots. The point I was making is that you can't really say that we don't know if diet A (the one I propose) is any good because there are no studies done on it (in reality, there are but it's irrelevant to this comment) when diet B (the one you propose) has had no studies done on it, either. See what I mean?

[Cage Cleaner]

Gl

[seagoatdeb]

I didn't read all 9 pages of arguing, but the raw diet is superior to the cooked grains because of the alkalinity that it produces in the body instead of the acidity. Acidity (often linked with a processed, standard american diet high in sugar and carbs) has been linked to disease.

I agree with you, and i think most human deaths are attributed to bad standard American diets, but there are lots of debunkers to high alkaline diets and those are the quotes that were chosen here to refute my high alkaline diet, and those debunkers are people that no raw foodist takes seriously. Those who have not spent a year on a proper whole food raw diet and not experienced the difference in health, cant see the benefit since they have not lived it, they rely on web pages and text book knowledge instead of field experience.

Parrots are made different than us but since there natural diet is a high alkaline producing diet, I believe in giving them as close to that as I can. We dont need a study on natural diets, since that is what the parrots are adapted and evolved to.

I really love to see you posting, and hope to see more of your thoughts and experiences. I am always trying to improve the diets of my parrots.

[Cage Cleaner]

K

[Pajarita]

Hmmm, actually, no, you are both incorrect in your assumptions. The links I gave supporting the contention that PH in a normal diet of healthy individuals is completely unimportant and that the alkaline diet is based on incorrect physiological information are from Gabe Mirkin MD (one of the few doctors board-certified in four different specialties who has his own radio program AND website about nutrition), E R Farnworth (who has a degree and has been researching, conducting studies and publishing on different Food Science subjects since 1994 -he has something like over 50 publications), Frederick Patenaude (FAMOUS raw-foodist), and Chris Kresser (even MORE famous than Patenaude) so, no, they are not from people with no knowledge of science who have misinterpreted information. As a matter of fact, you could say they are some of the foremost experts on this type of subject. Look them up and you'll see.

You know... I don't mind debating an issue, I actually like it and, besides, diet is kind of my personal 'thing' as I do research on it constantly and I am always eager to learn something new. And everybody is entitled to an opinion and I will always defend anybody's right to say what they think but, when people put down other people's sources as 'uninformed' without actually reading the links provided or putting down the authors without even checking whether they have any authority on the subject... well, what can I tell you? Let's say it doesn't do much for their credibility.

[Cage Cleaner]

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