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Chronic prolapse umbrella

Postby Bird woman » Wed May 17, 2017 10:26 am

Jazzie has been with me for 3 weeks this Friday and has suffered chronic prolapse 4 times. When I went to my vets to pick him up he had been prolapsed and left like that for 2 months. I left him at vets to fix and have an implant put in to get a head start on getting his problem in check but the vet once again did the quick stitch method when I knew all to well he needs a total rebuild. I have leaned out his diet , put him on a strict solar schedule and have kept my hands off. Other than monitoring him 24/7 and keeping his mind off things I'm at a loss as what else I can do. The doc said to give him a fighting chance his hormonal behavior needs to be in check before the surgery can be successful. It scares me as everything I've read is pretty much a death sentence for birds with this problem. I've read chick peas can help and would like any info or experience anyone as well as success story's anyone can provide. Holistic approach or any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks BIRD WOMAN {healing one bird at a time} ;)
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Re: Chronic prolapse umbrella

Postby Pajarita » Fri May 19, 2017 1:11 pm

Chickpeas? That's a new one for me. Do you know why they say that chickpeas help? I am curious...

There is nothing that I can recommend except lots of flying to help him get rid of the excess of sexual hormones because, unfortunately, taking into consideration the season, the solar schedule is not going to be very effective this time of the year. Of course, it's easier on the overly hormonal bird's body to start a solar schedule when the days are long because there is no drastic change from one day to the next but there will be no immediate relief - not right now (late summer is actually the perfect time for things like this). But, there is no other choice than to start it asap... I really wouldn't have done the implant or anything remotely related to the Lupron action on the body. I don't believe that completely messing up something that is already bad is the answer to any problem - especially since it doesn't work on all birds. But that's me. I always go for the long term, permanent, natural solution and, besides, I don't trust mammal medicines used on birds, not for this kind of problem. In any case, if it works, you should see a change in his attitude in a matter of days. If it doesn't, you might see the bird getting worse because of it. It's a lottery.

I don't have anything to recommend. I do things long term and just wait for the bird's internal clock to get reset on its own but, basically, I would do what you are doing: solar schedule, good full spectrum for during the day, fly him as much as possible, eliminate all nesting temptations (not too many baths!), reduce protein drastically, feed lots and lots of fresh food (emphasis on tryptophan rich food - Oh! maybe this is the reason why they recommend the chickpeas!), I would also eliminate pellets because you want the bird to stay as hydrated as possible so the poop is very loose - but, basically, all the usual stuff that you would do for any bird...
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Re: Chronic prolapse umbrella

Postby Bird woman » Fri May 19, 2017 2:01 pm

Everything but the flying I'm doing and giving him the great big flight avairy to him self. Honestly I try to keep him as busy as I can to keep his mind off of it. I've never in 27 years seen anything like this and really felt I did not have any extra time to waste so I opted for the implant immediately. The poor bird was stick bone skinny when he got here so I'm playing a real balancing act with nutrition as he really doesn't know what fruit and veggies are . Soooo first off I chop the veggies in the food processor and make fresh veggie and fruit juice I soak the pellets in it and mix the softened pellets with the fine chop and it seems to be working so far. Dam he's a mess but slowly showing improvement .this will be the hardest yet . Thanks for the help ! BW. P.S. They cut his wings so flying is out for now so will do flapping on the arm for now :thumbsup:
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Re: Chronic prolapse umbrella

Postby Pajarita » Sat May 20, 2017 11:26 am

Try white bread and millet for fattening him (is it a DNAd him?) . Was this bird, by any chance, potty trained? Because I read some time ago that they are finding that of all the parrot species, umbrellas and mollucans are more prone to this problem and, in these two species, the hand-fed and not properly weaned as well as the potty trained seem to be the ones that end up with it (wild birds that are kept captive never get it) which makes sense, if you think about it. Poor Jazzie! We do such a number on these poor animals...
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Re: Chronic prolapse umbrella

Postby Bird woman » Sat May 20, 2017 12:31 pm

Jaz is showing real progress this morning and some real independence. Hopefully the neediness will start to subside when he's able to meet the rest of the flock. He is a DNA'D MALE. The potty training thing also had entered my mind as I've noticed when he's on me he won't poop until I put him down so I only pack him from point a to point b so he's not causing unnecessary straining. Better for me , easier to keep my hands off. When you get a bird that's in such bad shape alls you want to do is hold and reassure them but this problem requires hands off and complete reprogramming in every way ! Time to teach this guy to be a bird.,we are working on foraging , flapping , dancing and step up command anything to keep him busy. He also as of breakfast this morning ate what the other birds did so that was pretty exciting. There's way to many to have to make specialized food but I will always do what ever is nessesary for there wellbeing . I have to make dam sure he's ready for the total rebuild as I fear it's a one shot deal. I'm contacting many specialists within about a 250 mile area to find out who the best is . BW
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Re: Chronic prolapse umbrella

Postby Pajarita » Sun May 21, 2017 9:52 am

Well, if he is a male, most likely, it was improper weaning and potty training that did it. This is why people who have no experience with parrots should never get a large, more 'complicated' bird. But people want what they want and think that reading about it and having good intentions is all that is needed, never realizing that it's simply not enough. They get a baby from a breeder, put it on adult food from day one and go to these fluff sites and learn all the wrong things including the stupidest and most unhealthy 'trick' of them all: potty training! I wish I could have five minutes with the idiot that came up with that!

But it does sound as if everything is going well! These things take time but, with good care (and I am sure he is getting it now!), they can be overcome. Keep us on the loop, I am sure that everybody is as interested as I am in his progress.
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Re: Chronic prolapse umbrella

Postby stevesjk » Mon May 22, 2017 3:20 am

Yeah potty training, i would never risk that with my birds
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