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Re: Is this normal?

Postby Pajarita » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:18 am

Well, for one thing, her days are way too long and, if I were you, I would shorten them [you need to do this gradually, only 15 minutes at a time every 2 weeks]. I would also try to imitate sunrise and sunset instead of just turning on a lamp. The specs on the full spectrum are perfect but I would put the light farther than you have it.

And, I might be wrong but that bird looks VERY uncomfortable upside down like that. I mean, she is like frozen in fear... legs up in the air and not moving at all. A VERY well adjusted gray might be OK laying on its back every now and then and for a very short time [seconds only] but doing it to a plucker that is having serious issues is not helping the bird at all - if anything, it would make the bird feel worse. Is it possible that she is not being treated the way a gray should be treated? I am not talking abuse or neglect, mind you! I can tell that you are trying your best but not everybody is a bird person... Parrots are not easy for us because they are not like dogs or cats and grays are particularly susceptible to reacting badly when they feel insecure, vulnerable or simply not getting the right kind of care. One thing I can tell you and it's that no gray would ever lay on its back out of its own initiative...
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Re: Is this normal?

Postby blackscell » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:37 pm

I have to disagree with the last part. We play on bed alot and she enjoys rolling in the sheets.

Here is another video: https://streamable.com/yzzft

I don't think this represents being terrified or whatsoever. Some might enjoy it, others dont. But I dont force her.
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Re: Is this normal?

Postby Pajarita » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:11 am

She does look relaxed on the last video where she is covered by quilts [a nest] but you, yourself, can see the difference from one video to the next. In the first one, she was super tense [completely frozen] in the second she was relaxed [moving the head, closing her eyes]. The point I was trying to make is that, with a gray, you need to be extra careful in how you handle it because whereas you can do pretty much anything with a cockatoo, for example, you can't with a gray. You can grab a too by the body, turn it upside down, swing it in the air, hug it close, open its wings, etc and the bird will like it but you can't do any of these things with a gray. Grays are not touchy feely birds, they don't like to be handled much and most of them do not like their bodies touched at all with their humans actually needing their explicit permission before they can even give head scritches to them. It's not that they are not affectionate because they are - very much so! They actually bond extremely deeply with their chosen humans but that doesn't mean their beloved is free to do whatever he/she wants.
They have a very highly developed sense of self and need to be treated with the same respect one would give a person. I've had my Sophie for 12 years, she doesn't pluck, doesn't bite, doesn't scream, eats very well, comes to me on command, and loves me to pieces [she has this endearing habit of touching my hand with her beak and making a kissy noise when I am putting out her food on her plate that melts my heart every single morning!] but I ALWAYS ask her permission to scratch her head and, if she doesn't give it to me, I don't do it. Some people don't realize this about them...

Grays are not easy birds to keep happy. And, when they are not happy, they pluck. So you need to find out what makes her happy and do it and what makes her unhappy and stop doing it. It's as easy and as difficult as all that!
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