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mild pododermatitis treatment suggestions?

Postby pfinarffle » Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:16 am

hello everyone,

we have an older (not sure exactly how old as he's adopted) senegal named peewee. he had a bit of some health issues in the past year with a GI yeast/bacterial infection that we caught in december/january. it took him until march to fully rid himself of it with the help of two different antibiotics (nystatin and baytril) in succession. fast forward to this summer. since getting over his illness he's become more active and talkative, naturally. but as i've been flipping him over to hold him on his back in my hands (a trick), i noticed pressure sores on his feet.

i've been reading that you need to remove all hard perches etc. so we did. for two weeks plus now, he's only had wooden perches. and i went and got a nice, flat flagstone perch for him to sleep on at night to allow his feet to be flat for long periods of time to rest. but the pinkish and shiny spots are still there. it's a classic case of the beginnings of bumblefoot from what i can see. no pus nor bleeding nor anything else, just shiny darker pink areas and missing foot scales on the first digit of each foot (not the hock). he doesn't limp at all, which is weird. you'd think it'd hurt him. and no other obvious signs of illness including changes in poop/appetite/activity. he's as hyper as ever. :)

anyway, one thing we've noticed is that he has a tendency to want to perch on very narrow areas like his food bowl's edges. so we stopped using his food bowls and are now using those hooded ceramic crocks. but lo and behold, he'll still perch on the edge of the crock's entrance! stubborn little sennie! :roll:

i've read that harrison's makes some products over the counter called "soother plus" (a lotion) and "booster" (basically sounds like a vitamin a supplement). am considering trying those since i know he won't eat his veggies (though he does eat pellets). am i jumping the gun? he is older, and i've read that older birds take longer to heal. but how long is too long to wait? any other suggestions?
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Re: mild pododermatitis treatment suggestions?

Postby entrancedbymyGCC » Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:44 pm

I don't have much useful to say except that those rope perches are the softest I can think of. Also, when I was last at the bird store, a woman there was talking about wrapping perches with vetwrap. She does it for grip and cleanliness, but a couple layers would provide some cushion as well.

If you don't know what vetwrap is, it's a veterinary bandaging material that is crepe-y and stretchy and sticks to itself. http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/AC/animal-care/products/catalog/?PC_7_RJH9U5230GE3E02LECIE20SBQ3_nid=99FXKHGL4PbeRTSHCMRQXXgl.
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Re: mild pododermatitis treatment suggestions?

Postby pfinarffle » Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:25 pm

good call on the vetwrap idea. wonder where i could get some...

he has a giant cotton boing he spends a lot of time on, too. i guess that counts as a soft surface. i thought that between the flat perch, the cotton rope boing, and the natural wooden branch ones he'd have been doing better by now. but i'll keep doing what it takes!
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Re: mild pododermatitis treatment suggestions?

Postby Mr.Darcy » Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:58 pm

I agree with entranced. The wood perches are still fairly hard as is the flat perch. Try the vet wrap you can buy it online....and use only the cotton rope perches, different widths and maybe the fake sheep skin lined tent to really rest his tender little tootsies!! It may cost a bit for the perches but I bet it is a lot less than a vet trip, beside you will always use the perches at somepoint!!

good luck..
There is a video on youtube of how to tape up a rooster's foot with vet wrap (he has bumble foot) you could try wrapping the birds foot...maybe
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Re: mild pododermatitis treatment suggestions?

Postby entrancedbymyGCC » Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:28 pm

Many pet stores carry vetwrap, usually in the dog first aid section. Any tack store will have it, too.
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Re: mild pododermatitis treatment suggestions?

Postby birdvet » Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:00 pm

The perch idea suggestions everyone has are great, we use vetwrap on perches all the time for our hospitilised birds. Another thing you can do is try get hold of sorbolene lotion. It's a water soluble, soothing, moisturiser that we massage into the feet of birds that have bumblefoot as well as using it on birds that are prone to bumblefoot. it can take months to heal so I'd make soft perches a permanent change as well as providing a variety of different perch sizes for him to exercise his feet.

Good luck, keep us posted :senegal:
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Re: mild pododermatitis treatment suggestions?

Postby pfinarffle » Mon Sep 20, 2010 5:54 am

birdvet wrote:The perch idea suggestions everyone has are great, we use vetwrap on perches all the time for our hospitilised birds. Another thing you can do is try get hold of sorbolene lotion. It's a water soluble, soothing, moisturiser that we massage into the feet of birds that have bumblefoot as well as using it on birds that are prone to bumblefoot. it can take months to heal so I'd make soft perches a permanent change as well as providing a variety of different perch sizes for him to exercise his feet.

Good luck, keep us posted :senegal:


thanks! i have been using sorbolene, actually, on your suggestion weeks if not months back. i am starting to believe that the foot thing and the yeast infection are all tied together by a lack of vitamin A somehow. i know he eats his pellets, but he really doesn't like veggies. is it possible for birds even on harrison's pellets to be vitamin A deficient? i wonder about this as when we first got him, his feet were super pink, so much so that both i and my parents wondered if he were a baby! clearly, he wasn't. and as his health improved, i'd posted on this forum about how i noticed his feet were starting to get slightly darker in color, taking on a greyish tinge the way normal adult parrot feet look. someone suggested that was because he was becoming more active again and that he was forming calluses. i wonder if that's the case, after all.

so i went out and bought sweet potato and carrot baby food. will be giving him some of that to help with the beta carotene as i'd read that you can't overdose on beta carotene (his body will make more vitamin A if he's deficient by using the beta carotene). thought it was a cheap shot, but better than nothing.

at any rate, will definitely keep watching his feet over the weeks! i can't believe it can take months to heal!
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Re: mild pododermatitis treatment suggestions?

Postby birdvet » Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:29 am

Cool, I recalled giving sorbolene advice a while back, couldn't remember who too :D

It is possible to be deficient, even when on pellets, mainly because avian nutrition is still quite a new field so most requirements are extrapolated from a small group of "test" birds and we just assume that what's good for one species is ok for another. In New Zealand many of the birds have such different physiology that we start to find lots of bizarre nutritional and medical discrepencies.

So yup, add supplements (veges etc) with vitamin A to see if this helps. And yip, we've had patients in hospital for 2-3 months treating bumblefoot lesions...horrid disease. I surgically removed a lesion from a penguin last saturday but was only able to do this because luckily it wasn't infected anymore so there was no risk of suturing an infection closed in the foot and causing more dramas.

Post some photos if you get a chance (unless you have already??) :D
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Re: mild pododermatitis treatment suggestions?

Postby pfinarffle » Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:18 am

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Re: mild pododermatitis treatment suggestions?

Postby ptuga72 » Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:27 pm

Ouch! I hope he feels better soon.
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