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Re: Not again :(

Postby Grey_Moon » Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:16 am

*hugs*

Yeah it tends to be like this with plucking birds....Jacko has an awesome week where I'm like WOW she let it all grow in, I get my hopes up....annnd then its gone :(

Regarding the eczema theory (not that they have eczema but they might have the birdie equivalent) eczema is immuno-regulated so thus taking out foods that are known to trigger immune response/inflammation might prove helpful.

You and your fids have been through so much I don't even remember what's been tried and what hasn't anymore :(

BUT! For a bit of skin relief you could try melting a bit of pure coconut oil (as it warms it liquifies) and rubbing into the bald spots/irritated spots. Its anti-bacterial, anti-yeast/fungal and is very soothing to the skin.
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Re: Not again :(

Postby marie83 » Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:23 am

Ahh coconut oil, I've been keeping an eye out for that stuff for some time now for other reasons. I'm told the supermarkets stock it. What do they keep it with because it isn't with the regular oils/fats.

How is jacko doing now? I barely see you on here anymore compared with when I first joined.
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Re: Not again :(

Postby Grey_Moon » Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:57 am

Hmm...

I usually hit the health/organic store or the bulk food store to find it.
Otherwise its hit/miss to find it---check either the eggs/dairy section or the natural foods section.

Yeah, I've been crazy busy (I'm co-mod on one of the parrot nutrition groups on FB---lots of new people and lots of questions!).

Jacko's doing good---still growing in all these new awesome feathers :) Her next heart ultrasound is in May so we'll see what's changed then.
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Re: Not again :(

Postby Andromeda » Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:30 pm

marie83 wrote:Ollie seemed to be picking up, under his wing looked so so much better but last night he was attacking himself again, doing that horrific scream. I had a look this morning and it is all bloody, weeping, sore again. He wont fly again and doesn't want to leave his cage.

I don't know how people with habitual pluckers cope, is it something you just get used to? or am I just feeling so lousy with it all because I'm certain there is some underlying, undiscovered cause to all this? I hide my emotions around the birds but I'm sure they still sense I'm upset.


My brown-headed parrot started plucking out of the clear blue sky in October of 2011. It was really strange plucking, too, because he would only do it at night while his cage was covered. During the day he pulled out nary a single feather, but when I'd uncover him in the morning there would be a giant pile of feathers.

I took him to the vet several times but all the tests came back normal so she thought it might be hormonal and he had a series of Lurpon injections but they didn't help. What was so strange was that nothing in his life had changed before it started happening, he basically (from the looks of it) just suddenly stopped sleeping one night and started pulling out his feathers instead.

This went on for about six months and I tried anything and everything. Finally in February of 2012 I read about clicker training and gave that a shot. I just started with simple targeting but he stopped plucking within days and that seemed to be the end of it, at least so far.

It has been a year now since he's plucked, but I actually still dread uncovering his cage every single morning because I always feel like I'm going to see that big pile of feathers again. I'm taking him to the vet for his annual check-up this weekend but he hasn't been since he stopped plucking and I'm worried sick it's going to trigger it again because he gets extremely stressed about vet visits.

Honestly I don't think you ever get used to it. Jimmy would let his feathers grow in maybe halfway and I'd get my hopes up but then inevitably one morning all those pretty new green feathers would be on the bottom of the cage. He was completely bare on his legs, chest, and under his wings. It was very hard, I spent a lot of time feeling guilty about it and even though I still loved him just as much and still thought he was a beautiful bird it broke my heart to see all that bare skin all over his body. I tried not to cry about it but I did on a regular basis.

I can't imagine what you are going through with Ollie since he is also mutilating his skin. Jimmy never did that, but the vet said if he did he might need to wear a collar. I really do feel like with your birds there's some physical reason for the plucking such as an illness due to the fact that it started with one bird and moved to another---that really doesn't say "behavioral" or "allergy related" to me. I just really wish that whatever it is would show up on a test so it could be identified and treated.
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Re: Not again :(

Postby Baylee4ever » Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:19 pm

Marie, have you tested them both for Giarda?

I have a book used a lot by vets (i will start studying veterinary this year) called " The Merck Veterinary Manual" it says: "Giardiasis: it is most often seen in tiels. Adult birds may be latent carriers.Transmission is presumably direct (ingestion of infective cysts) Affected tiels occasionally exhibit feather pulling in the axilary and inner thigh regions, along with vocalizations.Droppings of affected tiels MAY BE voluminous and aerated (a 'pop corn' appearance). The accuracy of Giardia snap test for human medicine is unknown in birds. Many veterinary diagnostic labs offer tests for fecal giardiasis. "

Giarda is not easy to diagnosticate but it is possible. And is highly contagious to other birds!

Also have you tested them both for red mites? Red mites come out at night and sometimes birds feel itchy but it is very rare.
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Re: Not again :(

Postby friend2parrots » Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:38 pm

marie83 wrote:Ollie seemed to be picking up, under his wing looked so so much better but last night he was attacking himself again, doing that horrific scream. I had a look this morning and it is all bloody, weeping, sore again. He wont fly again and doesn't want to leave his cage.


sorry to hear that he's like this again marie :( i guess what he has flares up, and then subsides, and then flares up again.

hoping that little Ollie, and Harlie too get better real soon.
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Re: Not again :(

Postby marie83 » Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:42 pm

Baylee4ever wrote:Marie, have you tested them both for Giarda?

I have a book used a lot by vets (i will start studying veterinary this year) called " The Merck Veterinary Manual" it says: "Giardiasis: it is most often seen in tiels. Adult birds may be latent carriers.Transmission is presumably direct (ingestion of infective cysts) Affected tiels occasionally exhibit feather pulling in the axilary and inner thigh regions, along with vocalizations.Droppings of affected tiels MAY BE voluminous and aerated (a 'pop corn' appearance). The accuracy of Giardia snap test for human medicine is unknown in birds. Many veterinary diagnostic labs offer tests for fecal giardiasis. "

Giarda is not easy to diagnosticate but it is possible. And is highly contagious to other birds!

Also have you tested them both for red mites? Red mites come out at night and sometimes birds feel itchy but it is very rare.


They have both been tested for giardia but the tests came back negative, we submitted 4 samples from each bird taken on consecutive days, these were taken first thing in the morning. I was planning to ask for a re-test when we are next there, possibly via an ELISA test rather than feceal test.
As far as the mites go , Ollie did have a spot on for external parasites, although Harlie was not at that appointment so didn't get treated, nor was the enviornment treated, in which case they would just get re-infested. There is no sign of any red mites in the flat so unlikely to be that.


Thank you for the suggestions, I appreciate them all :)
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Not again :(

Postby Baylee4ever » Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:01 pm

Well You should treat both birds for mites and their cages, i did that with Baylee except for wooden toys and chewing toys, i removed food bowls, water bowls and only left plástic perches and plástic swings and her mirror. I sprayed her cage the same day i sprayed her, once a week for 4 weeks. I made sure to spray her travel cage too just in case.

In your case could be mites, If You treat the bird, but not the enviroment they fall half dead half alive to the bottom of the cage, and they go to the other bird that was not treated, and when the effect of the treatment wears off mites go back to the original host and You have two infested birds instead of one.
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Re: Not again :(

Postby marie83 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:27 am

We really don't think its mites as per the results of the feather pluck. If it turns out to be mites then I will treat them for that but Ollie showed no tempoary improvement when treated with the spot on.
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Re: Not again :(

Postby Eric&Rebecca » Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:10 am

http://www.drexotic.com/common-avian-em ... mment-2075

This is another vet who replies to queries... you could try this...
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