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Re: Where I stand on the Diet debate/Pellet reviews

Postby cml » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:34 am

Both parrots are now eating the new pellets!
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Re: Where I stand on the Diet debate/Pellet reviews

Postby Scotty » Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:28 pm

I just received a 4lb bag of TOPS in the mail today, reminds me of rabbit food, LOL...

Well my GCC took to it right away, but for Winnie the mynah most of the pellets are pretty big so I had to spend some time cutting them up to make them smaller.

So far she doesn't seem to like them, but to bad Winnie you're going to have to get use to them, LOL, no more Harrisons junk for my birds!
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Re: Where I stand on the Diet debate/Pellet reviews

Postby Cage Cleaner » Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:27 am

LPolliard wrote:
Cage Cleaner wrote:But, I still feed Harrison's. It's the next best thing that's available. I personally dislike Tops.


Any specific reasons?



Yes. Tops creates a ton of waste (over 75% weight), stink like crazy, and my birds never seem to get "full" off of it. They are endlessly doing the feed me head bob when I feed them only TOPS. Not fun for training and not fun in general. That, and the powder waste it creates gets EVERYWHERE at a flap of a wing. Disguisting. :/

However, this post is quite a few months old, and my current update is that I decided to forgo Harrison's, as well. I dont' think feeding them a uniform diet all the time is a good idea. It is also shamelessly expensive. I am also skeptical about the synthetic vitamins. I don't see how they can claim to be USDA approved organic if they are adding in vitamins.

I tried nutriberries from labefers, liked them, found them too expensive, and am going to try Roudybush, mixed with dried fruit/veggies/seed, next as staple. Of course, it must be GMO corn staple, since it's corn based and not organic, so we'll see how this goes.
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Re: Where I stand on the Diet debate/Pellet reviews

Postby hooligan » Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:04 am

Have you tried making bird bread out of TOPs? Grey Moon posted a recipe for bird muffins using TOPs as a base, and the end result is really moist and not crumbly at all. I've been making bird mash with them too, and squishing them up with sweet potatoes, broccoli, and carrots.
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Re: Where I stand on the Diet debate/Pellet reviews

Postby Grey_Moon » Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:37 pm

I actually agree with Cage Cleaner vis-a-vis the cons of TOPS.
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Re: Where I stand on the Diet debate/Pellet reviews

Postby Cage Cleaner » Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:56 pm

hooligan wrote:Have you tried making bird bread out of TOPs? Grey Moon posted a recipe for bird muffins using TOPs as a base, and the end result is really moist and not crumbly at all. I've been making bird mash with them too, and squishing them up with sweet potatoes, broccoli, and carrots.


Yes. Ohhhh man. I wanted to leave the house due to the smell. I gave them to my sun conure and decided to forgo cuddling for a week due to tops bird breath.

Also, I am not a fan of bird bread as a staple as the high heat from baking kills many nutrients, which makes buying pellets pointless to begin with. This is especially true for tops, which claims to be cold pressed for the purpose of nutrient preservation.
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Re: Where I stand on the Diet debate/Pellet reviews

Postby hooligan » Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:32 pm

Cage Cleaner wrote: Also, I am not a fan of bird bread as a staple as the high heat from baking kills many nutrients, which makes buying pellets pointless to begin with. This is especially true for tops, which claims to be cold pressed for the purpose of nutrient preservation.


Iiiiiinteresting. I did not know that.

Why is it not a good idea to feed a bird a uniform diet?
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Re: Where I stand on the Diet debate/Pellet reviews

Postby Grey_Moon » Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:38 pm

These are all true, but it was a degree of 'best worst case' vis a vis the bird bread.

I myself am moving away from bird bread/pellets due to this.

She still gets low-heat baked veggies/fruit mash because she won't readily eat other textures and obviously cooked veggies/fruits is better than no veggies/fruits.

My girl is being put on 50% china prairie sprout diet and 50% veggie/fruits mash.

Uniformity in diet is bad for a few reasons, namely lack of diversity of nutrients and live enzymes. Pellets are poor nutrition in terms of being cheap grain by-products with all sorts of synthetic vitamins n preservatives and cooked. It would be like us living on nothing but meal replacement bars---we could---but its certainly inferior (except when its that vs junk food) to a varied healthy diet.
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Re: Where I stand on the Diet debate/Pellet reviews

Postby Cage Cleaner » Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:56 am

What grey moon said.

Essentially, pellets are processed food. Just like dog/cat food. And fortified cereals, etc for humans. Most of it is synthetically created nutrients which do not account for micronutrients that come in natural forms of food.

As a side note: I'm on a cleanse right now, and am basically limited to the produce aisle of the grocery store-- amazing how much stuff I can't eat, and shouldn't eat, normally. How many aisles do you go down in the grocery store? I can only go down one, right now. Pretty crazy.
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Re: Where I stand on the Diet debate/Pellet reviews

Postby hooligan » Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:13 am

Okay, that all makes sense.

Grey_Moon wrote:She still gets low-heat baked veggies/fruit mash because...

Almost all of the vegetables that Scrubby eats are raw, except for sweet potatoes (for obvious reasons). She loves sweet potatoes, so we make them for her a lot because they're such a good source of vitamin A. We always bake them and never add sugar or anything to them.

This conversation is making me wonder what temperature we should be baking them at, though? I believe, we usually bake them at 400°. Is that killing off most of the nutrients in the vegetable?
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