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What's the deal with F-10?

Postby Navre » Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:18 pm

What's the deal with F-10? I read in places that it's okay to spray around birds, and in other places that it must be completely rinsed off and dry before birds can get near it.
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Re: What's the deal with F-10?

Postby marie83 » Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:29 pm

There is more than one type so it depends which one you have.
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Re: What's the deal with F-10?

Postby Navre » Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:58 pm

Okay. I bought it from MSBS. I'll check.
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Re: What's the deal with F-10?

Postby Wolf » Wed Jan 27, 2016 10:37 pm

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Re: What's the deal with F-10?

Postby Loriusgarrulus » Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:39 am

F10sc veterinary can be used to disinfect cages after the solids are removed and is parrot safe and very economic as its used at quite small dilutions.
We had a CAG Kiri who had an auto immune problem and our specialist bird vet taught us how to nebulise her three times a day with a solution of F10sc veterinary in filtered water.
This was around 2003 to 2006. She used to come out the chamber quite damp with the solution and her mate used to help groom her while she dried out.
She got used to her trip to a large plant propagator for this and we kept her in resonably good condition for three years with a couple of emergency trips to the vet in between.
We eventually lost her, but our vet said that most folks lose their bird with this condition within a year.
Her mate Kuri who we still have is fine after a bout of feather plucking after we lost Kiri.
He has a TAG pal now.
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Re: What's the deal with F-10?

Postby Pajarita » Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:18 pm

How VERY interesting! I hope you don't mind but I am now going to have to pick your brain :lol: Did you ever learn what kind of autoimmune condition she had? Or, at least, whether it was spontaneous or toxin-related? I know of three spontaneous kinds in birds: one related to the thyroid that causes obesity, one that is similar to humans' scleroderma (hardened skin patches) and one that has symptoms similar to vitiligo (depigmentation) but also cause blindness. Can you tell me what were her symptoms? And what was the disinfectant supposed to do? Was she on any medicine, supplement or special diet?
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Re: What's the deal with F-10?

Postby Loriusgarrulus » Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:21 pm

It was toxin related.
We got some contaminated seed , we later found was the cause and Kiri was the only one that didn't fight off the infection. Which was aspergillosis.
Apparently some greys have a compromised immune system and Kiri had this.
I know the avian vet did a load of tests and we had a mound of medication and in house treatment before she came home again.
OH dealt with most of it as I was working full time and he worked from home.
We only realised she was ill late one night as I stayed up late to watch a film and did a last check later than normal and noticed her breathing was deep and laboured.
Our avian vet does 24 hr cover and we did a 40 minute journey in 25 minutes and met him at the surgery at 11:30 at night.
Kiri didn't respond how she should have done to normal treatment and the nebulising was keeping the infection at bay and her breathing clear, but the vet could not get the infection totally cured.
After three years she started to lose weight and condition and it wasn't fair to her to keep her going any longer.
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Re: What's the deal with F-10?

Postby Pajarita » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:51 pm

Ahhhh, yes, aspergillosis is real hard to cure when the bird has a compromised immune system - that's the reason why they ended up with it in the first place because healthy birds can fight it on their own as long as the exposure to aspergillus is not for a long period of time and/or extreme. It could also have been an aspergilloma and you can only cure that with surgery AND treatment.

I rescued a bird that died from exposure to aspergillus from bad seed, also, but, in his case, it was the damage to the liver from the aflatoxin that did it and the fact that the avian vet kept on telling me he was healthy when I kept on bringing him back and telling him he was not right. That's also when I learned that the normal chem panel vets do for liver damage is not good and that you need bile acids.
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