Moving to table top or floor with tricks/training

[Exitos872]

Ive decided to try a pocket perch. I will order it tonight. my thoughts are to put the perch on the table and see if hell target

[Wolf]

Good choice, perhaps you can also use it to get him to try for treats on a table, although I think that with his aversion to flat surfaces that he won't target off the perch to the table. That is one that I think that you will have to entice him to try by using treats and letting him ponder how much he might want the free treats.

[Pajarita]

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Here is my delemma. Although Niko does fantastic with these commands on perches, He wants NO PART of being on a flat surface, I.E. a table top or floor. and has such an adversion to it that its not even in the cards to try other training there, like turning the fetch command in playing with the cute little basket ball hoop i ordered.

So any suggestions?

But why would you need him to be on a flat surface? I can't really think of a reason why this is necessary unless you want to train him to do a particular trick that requires it which, in my mind, if this is the case, it's a completely useless trick.

Useless to you sir. FUN, cute as hell and another challenge to me!

No, no, the 'usefulness' or lack of it is for the bird's benefit, I don't count at all (BTW, I am a 'madam', not a 'sir' ). And I hope that you just wrote this answer without really thinking and that it doesn't reflect your true feelings because, to tell you the truth, it reads as if the training ("fun, cute as hell and challenge to me") is for your own entertainment and not the bird's benefit.

[Tman007]

Hello Let me add my 2 cents to this. First a parrot likes to hang on to a perch it makes them feel safe, also your parrot is young still trying to learn how to steady it self on a perch. on a table top he slips nothing to grab. Try putting a small rug like one you use in front of the kitchen sink. he will be able to get a grip on the rug and not slide around. Also so a table is low and they like to be high and as a young parrot that's why he flies away. The pocket perch is a good idea I have one.

[Exitos872]

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(BTW, I am a 'madam', not a 'sir' ).

sorry bout that
[quote="Pajarita"

No, no, the 'usefulness' or lack of it is for the bird's benefit, And I hope that you just wrote this answer without really thinking and that it doesn't reflect your true feelings because, to tell you the truth, it reads as if the training ("fun, cute as hell and challenge to me") is for your own entertainment and not the bird's benefit.[/quote]

nope, i wrote the answer to you thoughtfully. I was looking for ways to progress with my bird in his training. witch is for his benefit because im spending time with him and as well as teaching him fun tricks helping him be well behaved as i can. being that hes a captive bird, witch lets face it. Any captive bird, other then one that is being nursed back to health is for our benefit, not thiers. (thats a whole other topic we can talk about threw PM's if you like). Anyway off topic. but your answer was unhelpful and a tad rude so i was trying to be polite as i could by letting you know your answer was less then helpful.

[Exitos872]

Hello Let me add my 2 cents to this. First a parrot likes to hang on to a perch it makes them feel safe, also your parrot is young still trying to learn how to steady it self on a perch. on a table top he slips nothing to grab. Try putting a small rug like one you use in front of the kitchen sink. he will be able to get a grip on the rug and not slide around. Also so a table is low and they like to be high and as a young parrot that's why he flies away. The pocket perch is a good idea I have one.

Thanks will try that too

[Pajarita]

Actually, yours is a very common misconception about training birds. It's good for a bird to know how to step up and recall because these are useful things when keeping a bird captive but these are also things that don't need actual training because birds will do them on their own. But, when it comes to tricks, there is no actual benefit for the bird. None, zero, nada, zilch. A bird couldn't care less if he can wave or play dead or any of the tricks people teach them to do, and knowing how to do these things does not add anything good to the bird's life, they are only for the human's benefit. On the other hand, insisting on teaching a bird tricks when he's not willing, or that he perches where he doesn't want to is most definitely not for his benefit. You don't see birds in the wild waving at you or playing dead so, obviously, none of these things are needed for their survival or even happiness. Geez, birds don't even play in the wild but humans, in their infinite arrogance, have now decided they know better than nature and that a bird needs to play with toys and learn useless tricks to be happy. If you truly want to benefit your bird, go to nature and see how the species lives in the wild and reproduce the conditions (get him a companion or, better still, a mate and another pair of the same species and allow them to live cage-free in a room of their own with natural perches, a good light and proper light schedule and fresh food adequate to the species).

[Exitos872]

okay thanks