Pajarita wrote:Well, no, the ONLY reason you or anybody has to believe in God is faith. There is no evidence that God exists. None, zero, zilch. Everything around us does NOT, in any way, prove that God exists. There are books (Bible, Torah, Quran, Vestas, etc) written by people who believed in God but that only proves that they, the writers of the books, believed and not that God actually exists. Besides, those books were written thousands of years ago when mankind thought that anything they could not explain was supernatural. Again, the only thing you have to go on when it comes to God is faith which is not provable in any way. One could say that faith is a feeling but then, there are other feelings -like hate, anger, fear, love, etc- and those are provable because there are measurable physical manifestations of them: pupil size, body temperature, blood pressure, hormonal production, etc) but not when it comes to faith. People who have faith in God are exactly the same, physically speaking, as people who don't. As to the statement that is illogical to say that two different religions are both true... I beg to differ, in reality, saying that any one religion is the true one is illogical because saying that anything is true implies being able to prove it and you can't.
I am an atheist. I was born and raised Catholic. I went to a nun school all my childhood and youth all the way up to graduation (and no, I did not hate the nuns, they were wonderful and I loved them to pieces!). But I always had doubts and questions the Catholic religion could not answer so I started going to a Protestant denomination (the Church of Christ). And they could not answer them either. Now, as one of my biggest problems was the huge unfairness of the 'one life, one chance to go to heaven' thing (because we all know now that we are a product of nature and nurture both so, obviously, people who had been born to terrible situations did not have the advantage of being able to live a good Christian, Muslim or whatever life as other -more privileged- people had) I started researching Eastern religions because the idea of having more than one chance (reincarnation) was so much more fair... but, unfortunately, that did not work out mathematically so that was the end of that. And, after many years of questioning, researching, studying, analyzing, etc. I realized that I did not believe in God. I believe that we have one life and that we should all try to improve ourselves and make this life count so, when we die, we leave the world a better place than we found it. And I try very hard to do this.
But let's leave this argument as it is: you believe in God and I don't, so let's just agree to disagree because this is a bird site and not a religious forum.
(Or were they created out of naught? Or are they the creators?) – Quran 52:35.
I don’t know how much you actually know about Islam or if you have looked into the Quran, so if you have not, I’d encourage you and everyone else, that you do so before making a final judgement about it.
As I’ve previously said, to believe in something, you do not need a proof to believe in it. However, to believe in something you need reasons to support that belief. So no, I’d say to believe in religion doesn’t always mean there’s no reason but faith. Having said that now if you’d say that I have no proof to prove that God exists, and if you would claim God doesn’t exist, I can say the same too, you have no proof to prove to me that God doesn’t exist. I don’t know about you, but for me, I might not have a “proof”, but I do have reasons that are backed up by strong evidence (again not “proof” but evidence) that God really exists and Islam is the true religion of god. This verse from the Quran that I mentioned above is only one of many verses that provokes our intellect to think and ponder about our existence. Have we come out of nothing? All the finely designed creatures, stars, planets and the whole universe came from nothing?
You said, “saying that anything is true implies being able to prove it and you can't.” are you sure about that? Do you really have a solid absolute proof for everything you believe in? As I mentioned before you called yourself an atheist which means you believe for sure that God doesn’t exist, but I think you can’t really prove that can you? Yes, you can have strong reasons or evidence to support that claim but you can’t prove to me 100% that there’s nothing out there that created everything and that’s just one example I can give to you.
I admire you for being a truth seeker and not a blind follower, that you used your logic and reason, many people should learn from your example. I know that would be a bold statement of me to make and I could be wrong, but I’m sure if you looked into it with an open mind and no predisposition, you’d find the answers of the questions you had before in Islam, or at least things would make more sense to you. I do not make those claims out of nothing, I’m only able to because Quran is that strong. After all we Muslims believe the Author of it is God himself and Quran itself is a miracle because it’s a book that cannot be produced by humans because of many reasons. I’d like to discuss further with you, but since you do not want to continue this discussion, I’ll leave it with this.
(Will they not then ponder on the Qur'an? If it had been from other than Allah they would have found therein much incongruity.) Quran- 4:82